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bam91

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I really appreciate the information being shared here. I have a question of my own if you dont mind. If an individual is selected to train at N90 and with the success rate being on the low end, do you have any tips or suggestions that can increase the AG's chance of successfully becoming certified?
 

DankVectorz

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I really appreciate the information being shared here. I have a question of my own if you dont mind. If an individual is selected to train at N90 and with the success rate being on the low end, do you have any tips or suggestions that can increase the AG's chance of successfully becoming certified?

Know your book work and maps backwards and forwards. I tell my trainees that I'm not here to teach you the book. I can teach you how to apply it, but knowing it is on you. If you have a question about something, ask it. Be humble and generally just not a dick or an idiot. Everyone will go to bat for a trainee they like, not so much for one they don't.
 

N90-EWR

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Know your book work and maps backwards and forwards. I tell my trainees that I'm not here to teach you the book. I can teach you how to apply it, but knowing it is on you. If you have a question about something, ask it. Be humble and generally just not a dick or an idiot. Everyone will go to bat for a trainee they like, not so much for one they don't.

This is spot on!

I'll add having a good work ethic to that list. If you really want this, it will show by how hard you work for it. This is specially important the less experience you have, as you have the odds more stacked against you. A talented and very experienced controller that's transferring can afford to be a bit more lax. One thing in common to pretty much all the OTS low or no experience hires that made CPC was an excellent work ethic. Those that read their SOP's/LOA's/.65, monitor CPC's on their breaks, or every chance they get tend to do better. Also the instructors are more likely to go the extra mile for you.

We want you to succeed, so help us help you!
 

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Impossible right now until roughly 200 people certify or the err MOU goes away
Anyone there apply for the Academy Instructor jobs? Outside of the ATO so they'd be able to get a release, with return rights back to the region, 27k move both ways, and save pay.
 
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We heard at the academy that they may be switching to learning 2 scopes at a time (book work to lab to floor then certify), then back to lab for 2 more etc etc,
Anyr Truth on that?
 

futurepilot4u

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1-The biggest hurdle is getting assigned a classroom date. Once you're done with the initial time on data, the classroom, and the lab, typically you'll get somewhere around 2 to 3 hours OJT a day, but that's assuming you're rotating with your trainers. Somewhere between 12 to 18 months from the time you hit the floor is about average for most successful trainees. The more experienced, and sharper trainees have made it in less than a year, though not the norm. (This is for the EWR area, though I believe it is not far off on the other areas).

2-My typical paycheck is about 6k take home, but I don't work all the overtime available, and don't get Sunday pay. I'm at the salary cap. For reference, our biggest overtime whore in the EWR area is also at the salary cap, gets Sunday pay, works 10 hour days pretty much every day, 6 days a week, and he consistently nets over 9k with the highest paycheck I've seen at 9.7k take home. He came from MIA and even though that's also a level 12 he said he's almost doubling his take home pay here.

18k+ take home every month(!), so unless my math is wrong your OT Whore is making $340,000+/year pre tax? Tempting!
 

jdatc

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I love back of the envelope math....

Remember Controller incentive pay is 10% of salary or now with the enhanced MOU, 25% (total) as a CPC.

So the guy at the cap is getting CIP off the 147,676 rate where as a fresh minted CPC is getting it at 109,389 rate. So one guy gets 1051$ a pay period just in CIP and the other guy is getting about $1420 a pay period.

Then Figure the new CPC gets 144,536 or roughly 69.26$ an hour vs the guy capped out at 189,600 or 90.85 an hour

So all things considered in an example of each person just working a straight day schedule or 8 hours a days with one being OT, you’d get

NEW CPC
Normal 80*69.26=5,540
OT 16*69.26*1.5=1662
CIP=1051
Total for one pay period with 16hours overtime and no diffs= 8,253

Veteran Capped CPC
Normal 80*90.85=7,268
OT 16*90.85*1.5=2,180
CIP=1420
Total for one pay period with 16hours overtime and no diffs=10,868

Now the Veterean CPC needs boat money, so he works 6 10’s for 2 weeks, all swing shifts 1pm-11pm, and Sundays, and what the hell, a holiday too.

Normal 80*90.85=7,268
OT 40*90.85*1.5=5,451
CIP=1420
Sundays 16*90.85*.25=363
Night diff 60*90.85*.1= 545
Holiday 8*90.85= 726

Total for one pay period.... 15,773

This is all quick and dirty math, but if you want to make some more money, you can see why N90 is the place to go....
 
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