Serious New N90 to EWR June 1, 2024, and June 30, 2024

[blockdenied]

I’m guessing since everyone is severely underpaid according to Lenny21 and Fatporrey they won’t have a problem finding another job paying what they make at N90.

Go ahead and find out what renting/owning costs is like in that area before you comment

 

[CinderBlock]

In preparation for this very stressful move, everyone should go get a full bloodwork panel including A1C, and a calcium cardio scan. This kind of stress can result in people becoming diabetic and developing cardiac issues. The medical downtime for such issues is several months so I hear.


I believe every 31 days you’re a due a trip home over a weekend

Of course that weekend will probably be 1 day because of assigned OT

 

[Phanatical]

DankVectorz any preemptive threats for people refusing?

Probably not wise to discuss job actions (which I’m sure there are not) on a public forum.

Speaking as a homeowner, if I bought pre-2021 at 2%-3% and now you’re forcing me into a housing market at 7%, I’d be livid.

 

[hpwjuicebox]

So now that the EWR move looks all but certain what is the FAA’s genius plan to fix delays at LaGuardia? They shipping the whole LGA sector off to Pittsburgh?

They are moving it to Austin.

 

[Phanatical]

They are moving it to Austin.

I don’t not believe you.

 

[Atc12345]

I’m curious about the part that says to get the 100k you have to maintain currency during the temp assignment. If you lapse a month does that mean they don’t have to pay? Obviously from a realistic stand point they mean you can’t lose your qual etc but it doesn’t read that way to me if they decided to pull a fast one.

 

[32andBelow]

I’m curious about the part that says to get the 100k you have to maintain currency during the temp assignment. If you lapse a month does that mean they don’t have to pay? Obviously from a realistic stand point they mean you can’t lose your qual etc but it doesn’t read that way to me if they decided to pull a fast one.

Sounds like a good time to start a family 👀 if you can miss a month or more

 

[Atc12345]

Sounds like a good time to start a family 👀 if you can miss a month or more

No kidding you go on 3 months of baby leave and it costs you a 100k? Even one month to me it reads they don’t have to pay you. If that letter can make you move it can be used to not pay you. Hope that’s not the case but ya know

 

[Phanatical]

If they can involuntarily force a temporary assignment, they’ll definitely force a permanent assignment. Whitaker is walking over Santa so hard at the moment.

 

[32andBelow]

If they can involuntarily force a temporary assignment, they’ll definitely force a permanent assignment. Whitaker is walking over Santa so hard at the moment.

Imagine doing the assignment when New York Philly hate is peaking cus of Embiid

 

[MJ]

Probably not wise to discuss job actions (which I’m sure there are not) on a public forum.

Wut

 

[RegisteredUser]

According to the FAA, what problem does moving EWR solve? But we all know its bullshit, seems like NATCA should have been able to shut this down easily…

 

[boots]

for the people at n90 if you were fully staffed what would the facility look like?

 

[ClearanceClarence]

The problem here is the precedent it sets. With the staffing crisis around the NAS getting worse each year, the FAA will say “well we can just move people around from place to place as needed now.” Think about it; the idea to a Government bureaucrat idiot that you can just move someone with the offer of a $100K check (that they may or may not actually receive) sounds much better than spending millions to hire and train a new person.

This is a very dangerous progression of events and another massive failure by our “union” under the “most labor friendly administration in history.” Fuck NATCA.

 

[Bandit117]

The problem here is the precedent it sets. With all the staffing crisis around the NAS getting worse each year, the FAA will say “well we can just move people around from place to place as needed now.” Think about it; the idea to a Government bureaucrat idiot that you can just move someone with the offer of a $100K check (that they may or may not actually receive) sounds much better than spending millions to hire and train a new person.

This is a very dangerous progression of events and another massive failure by our “union” under the “most labor friendly administration in history.” Fuck NATCA.

The faa can do what they want. Legal or not, right or not, they can try. But if the union doesn’t respond by going to court for the members, they have no balls. This isn’t a collaboration time, this is a “use those lawyers you pay 6 figure Salaries to” time

They should be seeking an injunction. If they don’t fight this hard, there’s nothing left of the union and we all might as well leave

 

[ClearanceClarence]

The faa can do what they want. Legal or not, right or not, they can try. But if the union doesn’t respond by going to court for the members, they have no balls. This isn’t a collaboration time, this is a “use those lawyers you pay 6 figure Salaries to” time

They should be seeking an injunction. If they don’t fight this hard, there’s nothing left of the union and we all might as well leave

Correct. The biggest mistake NATCA has ever made was embracing “collaboration” over the past decade. These morons were under the impression that the union and management were basically co-running the agency, and that they had a great working relationship. It’s been a fantasy from the start and has only degraded the influence of the union and any respect the agency once held towards it. The FAA realized they could essentially implement whatever they wanted and NATCA would rubber stamp it in the name of “collaboration.” This all culminated with COVID. For basically 2-3 years, the agency was able to force whatever hare-brained idea they had on the workforce in the name of “safety.” Stopping training entirely for nearly a year, then intermittently and arbitrarily stopping it for a year after that. Forcing people to wear masks. Forcing people to get the vaccine. Forcing schedule changes. Etc etc. All while NATCA sat back and said “yep, we think this is all great, the FAA definitely has everyone’s best interest in mind.” That sealed the deal that the union has no backbone and no influence. Now here we are today, ridiculous schedule changes being announced by Administrator royal decrees, controllers being forced to move facilities against their will, and of course, not even a semblance of a pay raise or improvements to working conditions are anywhere on the horizon.

NATCA has failed.

 

[KP-ATC]

Correct. The biggest mistake NATCA has ever made was embracing “collaboration” over the past decade. These morons were under the impression that the union and management were basically co-running the agency, and that they had a great working relationship. It’s been a fantasy from the start and has only degraded the influence of the union and any respect the agency once held towards it. The FAA realized they could essentially implement whatever they wanted and NATCA would rubber stamp it in the name of “collaboration.” This all culminated with COVID. For basically 2-3 years, the agency was able to force whatever hare-brained idea they had on the workforce in the name of “safety.” Stopping training entirely for nearly a year, then intermittently and arbitrarily stopping it for a year after that. Forcing people to wear masks. Forcing people to get the vaccine. Forcing schedule changes. Etc etc. All while NATCA sat back and said “yep, we think this is all great, the FAA definitely has everyone’s best interest in mind.” That sealed the deal that the union has no backbone and no influence. Now here we are today, ridiculous schedule changes being announced by Administrator royal decrees, controllers being forced to move facilities against their will, and of course, not even a semblance of a pay raise or improvements to working conditions are anywhere on the horizon.

NATCA has failed.

You left out a big one - NATCA supported having members fired.

 

[Raul Pinaldi]

Correct. The biggest mistake NATCA has ever made was embracing “collaboration” over the past decade. These morons were under the impression that the union and management were basically co-running the agency, and that they had a great working relationship. It’s been a fantasy from the start and has only degraded the influence of the union and any respect the agency once held towards it. The FAA realized they could essentially implement whatever they wanted and NATCA would rubber stamp it in the name of “collaboration.” This all culminated with COVID. For basically 2-3 years, the agency was able to force whatever hare-brained idea they had on the workforce in the name of “safety.” Stopping training entirely for nearly a year, then intermittently and arbitrarily stopping it for a year after that. Forcing people to wear masks. Forcing people to get the vaccine. Forcing schedule changes. Etc etc. All while NATCA sat back and said “yep, we think this is all great, the FAA definitely has everyone’s best interest in mind.” That sealed the deal that the union has no backbone and no influence. Now here we are today, ridiculous schedule changes being announced by Administrator royal decrees, controllers being forced to move facilities against their will, and of course, not even a semblance of a pay raise or improvements to working conditions are anywhere on the horizon.

NATCA has failed.

Is it possible that the FAA out-long gamed the union? Push collaboration get “leaders” on cushy details out of their buildings. Create distance between “leadership” and the rank and file. Then boom! Watch the union crumble. Makes you think. I don’t think the FAA has the wits to have planned it but you never know.

 

[GulfCharlie]

The problem here is the precedent it sets. With the staffing crisis around the NAS getting worse each year, the FAA will say “well we can just move people around from place to place as needed now.” Think about it; the idea to a Government bureaucrat idiot that you can just move someone with the offer of a $100K check (that they may or may not actually receive) sounds much better than spending millions to hire and train a new person.

This is a very dangerous progression of events and another massive failure by our “union” under the “most labor friendly administration in history.” Fuck NATCA.

I’ve been preaching this since the FOIA releases…

 

[Termine]

I’m sure all the controllers being forced to move their families just before a school year feel the same way.

You think they'd prefer it to happen just after a school year starts? If the FAA is going to force a move at all, wouldn't the summer be the least-worst time to do it?

According to the FAA, what problem does moving EWR solve? But we all know its bullshit, seems like NATCA should have been able to shut this down easily…

N90 is chronically understaffed. Terribly understaffed. They're at 60% staffing currently and that's the Finance numbers, not even the CRWG numbers. Add that to the low training success rate (also 60%) and the FAA is worried that N90 in its current configuration isn't sustainable.

Presumably the thought is that Long Island is an expensive place to work and that's why they don't have as many trainees as they should, etc. So moving some of the airspace to a different facility is supposed to alleviate that problem.

Of course there are other schools of thought, starting with the fact that apparently the EWR area is on a semi-decent trajectory in terms of recent checkouts.