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[Billybob]

I was addressing all the guys like you saying the FAA is so fucked for years to come and now all these CPCs that have milked 5/5 and 5/10 are gonna reap what they sow when they're on 6/1 indefinitely and can't get any leave when in reality, the staffing situation really isn't that bad and is actually much better than years past when you calculate total workload divided by total CPCs. Ironically, one thing that did catch my eye was DEN being like 65% staffed. Funny seeing one of the most desired fac's hurting like that. Could be a golden opportunity for a lucky few after covid

Your logic is flawed because you are assuming the check out rate is going to skyrocket, traffic is going to remain stagnant, and that staffing was acceptable pre-Covid. By your own admission we’ve lost roughly 400 controllers which is about 3% of the work force, and they are not being replenished at the same rate.

You can throw all the trainees you want at the problem but if they aren’t being trained they aren’t really solving the problem. So now we’ve had a year gap, say the average c/o time is 2 years, now we’ve lost an additional 6% of the work force in the time it takes to train a CPC, and that’s assuming a stagnant traffic flow. This is like a national championship team sucking the next year because all the seniors graduated and all the freshman get to play Alabama.

 

[UNABLE]

Your logic is flawed because you are assuming the check out rate is going to skyrocket, traffic is going to remain stagnant, and that staffing was acceptable pre-Covid. By your own admission we’ve lost roughly 400 controllers which is about 3% of the work force, and they are not being replenished at the same rate.

Not to mention, a lot of people that were about to retire pre-COVID waited because they got the deal-o-the-century in terms of 5/10 or 5/5. It's just a guess but I could see retirements picking up with a lot of bigger facilities going back to BWS.

 

[Spaceforce]

Not to mention, a lot of people that were about to retire pre-COVID waited because they got the deal-o-the-century in terms of 5/10 or 5/5. It's just a guess but I could see retirements picking up with a lot of bigger facilities going back to BWS.

This is definitely going to happen. Why would anyone want to return to normal shift work after 5/10 or 5/5? Especially when you’re eligible to retire.

 

[Phillytroll69]

This is definitely going to happen. Why would anyone want to return to normal shift work after 5/10 or 5/5? Especially when you’re eligible to retire.

Well let's not forget the new people that went from 0 hours of leave because of golf to 240 because the high risk bmi required they stay at home

 

[Spaceforce]

Well let's not forget the new people that went from 0 hours of leave because of golf to 240 because the high risk bmi required they stay at home

Oh yeah them too... expect to be at numbers the next couple years or below because people haven’t used much sick leave. Wish I was a fat fuck who didn’t exercise to stay healthy

 

[32andBelow]

Then all those people need to start training
the massive backlogs of trainees.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Then all those people need to start training
the massive backlogs of trainees.

I think a lot of people have missed the fact that the Academy has been up and running and placing people basically this entire time. Many larger facilities already had anticipated delays of over a year, and now they’ve had multiple trainees added to the backlog who haven’t even stepped foot in the buildings yet.

Add that to limited capacities in the labs and on the floor due to social distancing that will probably be around for the foreseeable future and I think it’s fair to say some facilities will be 5+ years to CPC going forward.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Man my training was shut down during everything and I didn’t get to stay at home, and I didn’t blame the CPCs like some in this thread

 

[Mike Kilo]

IMO the only CPCs that are to blame are the hard core anti-training ones who have been advocating since day 1 to keep trainees away as long as possible.

Realistically, the blame falls on the agency for failing to develop a working solution to get people back in a reasonable amount time, and NATCA for failing to push harder for said solution.

You say advocating like they have any impact whatsoever on training restarting lol. They have exactly zero blame.

 

[Mike Kilo]

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“NATCA and the FAA have collaboratively developed an OJT Recall Plan at the national level.”

Seems to spell it out pretty clearly right there that the union has very much been involved in the whole process. At the very least, they signed off on the “plan” to get people back to work that had criteria so strict, it took 6 months for anywhere to meet it.

You think “NATCA” are the CPCs? Because you didn’t blame NATCA above. You blamed the CPCs and I don’t see them mentioned. I would also add that most likely anyone making these decisions hasn’t been current at their “facility” for quite a while.
A CPC at a facility bitching about training right now has absolutely no say in when training restarts.

 

[32andBelow]

You think “NATCA” are the CPCs? Because you didn’t blame NATCA above. You blamed the CPCs and I don’t see them mentioned. I would also add that most likely anyone making these decisions hasn’t been current at their “facility” for quite a while.
A CPC at a facility bitching about training right now has absolutely no say in when training restarts.

I agree with this take I would some upward pressure could be helpful tho. Most seem to not care either way.

 

[ramfan402402]

The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round!

 

[Spaceforce]

2021 spring break covid resurgence! I’m calling it now. No vaccine gonna stop this runaway train ?

 

[StealthChain]

Is ZNY the only Z that sends non-CPC to TMU?

 

[32andBelow]

Is ZNY the only Z that sends non-CPC to TMU?

Yah.

 

[Phillytroll69]

US air travel rises to highest levels yet since pandemic hit

Air travel is gaining altitude

abcnews.go.com

"Parker said American's bookings are now running just 20% below 2019 levels."

I don't think this is going to be a slow roll up, Articlke quotes tsa at 1.3 million this weekend on friday and saturday

Sunday before thanksgiving was 1.17 million (was your facility busy?)

Record is 2.9 in a day if anyone was wondering

oh gosh the author said 'air traffic is gaining altitude' mad props for that as well

 

[Horny4Vectors]

Going back to BWS in PP11 unless something happens. I’ve been actively catching and boiling bats since I heard the news. So far pretty, pretty tasty

 

[32andBelow]

delta says they are on course to break even in March. Also 60 day advance bookings are approaching 2019 levels.

 

[Billybob]

Delta Air Lines says March daily sales jump 30% month-over-month

Delta Air Lines Inc. undefined shares rose 2.1% in Monday premarket trading after the company gave a business update that includes about 30% daily net sales...

www.marketwatch.com

American’s Parker says recovery imminent

American Airlines is optimistic that a sustainable post-coronavirus rebound has begun as customers start to return in greater numbers.

www.flightglobal.com

Southwest sees break-even by June

Southwest Airlines hopes to break even by mid-2021 as air travellers return in greater numbers.

www.flightglobal.com

United Airlines adds Mexico, Caribbean flights in major summer boost - The Points Guy

United just loaded a major frequency boost for its short-haul international network, adding flights to nearly every destination it serves in Mexico, as well as others in Latin America.

thepointsguy.com

 

[Motodog]

Delta Air Lines says March daily sales jump 30% month-over-month

Delta Air Lines Inc. undefined shares rose 2.1% in Monday premarket trading after the company gave a business update that includes about 30% daily net sales...

www.marketwatch.com

American’s Parker says recovery imminent

American Airlines is optimistic that a sustainable post-coronavirus rebound has begun as customers start to return in greater numbers.

www.flightglobal.com

Southwest sees break-even by June

Southwest Airlines hopes to break even by mid-2021 as air travellers return in greater numbers.

www.flightglobal.com

United Airlines adds Mexico, Caribbean flights in major summer boost - The Points Guy

United just loaded a major frequency boost for its short-haul international network, adding flights to nearly every destination it serves in Mexico, as well as others in Latin America.

thepointsguy.com

Tax hikes on the horizon not gonna help. But reports from these majors is good news