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[Mr.Tickles]

Misread then, my bad. Read that as one of the parties as in they are both out on the fringes, and one of them should come back to the center.

That was actually kinda what I meant but not in terms of the whole platform. More so in terms of a few individual issues in the sense of being able to get voters that usually wouldn't vote for a particular party due to a few particular issues.

For an example, I've got plenty of military buddies that didn't vote for Trump but because of Bidens gun control platform that made them not vote for him either.

 

[Phillyman2633]

We disagree on many political topics but this is spot on.

Take away party affiliations and we never have Trump to begin with.

WE DONT DISAGREE ON SHIT, YOURE JUST WRONG

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

I was down with the Yang Gang. He was the only candidate with a legitimate plan to prep for climate change besides increasing use of renewables

He was the only candidate with a legitimate plan for most things. Did I agree with all of them? No. But I sure as hell was enthusiastic about someone who actually put out actual plans and not platitudes and pandering.

 

[Merle]

So 60 million people in 2016 didn't vote for a lifelong democrat and Clinton friend and gun control supporter because there was a big (R) next to his name?

Okay. Thanks for your input.

Yeah I guess all those independent voters are probably all having their intellectual and moral high ground parties since they got what they wanted, yeah?

 

[Peter Gibbons]

That was actually kinda what I meant but not in terms of the whole platform. More so in terms of a few individual issues in the sense of being able to get voters that usually wouldn't vote for a particular party due to a few particular issues.

For an example, I've got plenty of military buddies that didn't vote for Trump but because of Bidens gun control platform that made them not vote for him either.

You are talking to one of those morally and policy opposed to Trump and also policy opposed to Biden people. I didn't vote for either of them. I cast a protest vote and voted down ballot as I saw fit. Then again, I live in a state where my vote doesn't matter, if we had a popular vote I'd have voted differently just to do my part to get rid of Trump, as I dislike him a helluva lot more than Biden, but in our current system I could vote my conscience guilt free.

Problem is you are confusing American neoliberalism as left. It's not in the least bit. In any other country it'd be a center right party. The nature of discourse and a two party system make it a left party in America, because it's left of the other party, but it's still pretty right on the entire spectrum of policy points. Since you mention gun control specifically, there's absolutely nothing in left politics thats expressly anti gun. Hell Marx was pro arming the proletariat (not an endorsement of Marxism, just making a point here). Sure there's some left identity stuff, but overwhelmingly the Democratic party is center right economically and social policy wise.

I agree that middle ground area is garbage and I don't like it either as it's all feel good half measures while still trying to placate the wealthy and elites while doing nothing tangible for working people, which is why the dems time and again can't win middle America.

WE DONT DISAGREE ON SHIT, YOURE JUST WRONG

Republicans and democrats, in a nutshell lol

 

[ATCJoe85]

My vote for Jo was for two reasons: I like her personality far more than the main two. And more than my interest in her specific policies was my interest in making it known that I don't support a fucked up system that produces a numbskull and a narcissist as our primary candidates.
Fortunately I can vote my conscience and not worry about real world consequences, because my state votes the same way every time and isn't a swing state.
The real props go to those who vote their conscience despite what impact it could have.

Truth about reasonable candidates existing. Jo is one of then. And yeah, I would've gone for Yang. Heck, I would've gone for Sanders (2016 too).

I don't think it's the people that don't want a reasonable candidate, I think it's the party establishment that relies on our current course-- which is basically: letting Americans decide how fast we want to funnel our money up

 

[Peter Gibbons]

My vote for Jo was for two reasons: I like her personality far more than the main two. And more than my interest in her specific policies was my interest in making it known that I don't support a fucked up system that produces a numbskull and a narcissist as our primary candidates.
Fortunately I can vote my conscience and not worry about real world consequences, because my state votes the same way every time and isn't a swing state.
The real props go to those who vote their conscience despite what impact it could have.

Truth about reasonable candidates existing. Jo is one of then. And yeah, I would've gone for Yang. Heck, I would've gone for Sanders (2016 too).

I don't think it's the people that don't want a reasonable candidate, I think it's the party establishment that relies on our current course-- which is basically: letting Americans decide how fast we want to funnel our money up

Just curious, as it's a big swing, but how do you go from demsoc to libertarian and maintain any continuity in what you think is good policy? They are pretty far apart.

 

[32andBelow]

So Trump wants them to stop counting in PA and keep counting in AZ and NV and they want to count WI twice. Total Bruh moment

 

[Shikaka]

Is anyone else enjoying the blame game for the house races?

 

[Mr.Tickles]

You are talking to one of those morally and policy opposed to Trump and also policy opposed to Biden people. I didn't vote for either of them. I cast a protest vote and voted down ballot as I saw fit. Then again, I live in a state where my vote doesn't matter, if we had a popular vote I'd have voted differently just to do my part to get rid of Trump, as I dislike him a helluva lot more than Biden, but in our current system I could vote my conscience guilt free.

Problem is you are confusing American neoliberalism as left. It's not in the least bit. In any other country it'd be a center right party. The nature of discourse and a two party system make it a left party in America, because it's left of the other party, but it's still pretty right on the entire spectrum of policy points. Since you mention gun control specifically, there's absolutely nothing in left politics thats anti gun. Hell Marx was pro arming the proletariat (not an endorsement of Marxism, just making a point here). Sure there's some left identity stuff, but overwhelmingly the Democratic party is center right economically and social policy wise.

I agree that middle ground area is garbage and I don't like it either as it's all feel good half measures while still trying to placate the wealthy and elites while doing nothing tangible for working people, which is why the dems time and again can't win middle America.

I’m the same way but living in California it doesn’t really matter which way I voted for the president so I didn’t vote for either of the two. Although even had I been in a battle ground state I’m not sure I would have voted any differently.

While what you say is true in regards to me using the word left, in terms of this election and our two party system I think calling the democrats left and republicans right is still applicable. Although if I’m being honest referring to them as the left and right just means I have to type less. lol If you were to test me on the different definitions of the left vs neoliberalism I can promise you I’d fail miserably.

I completely agree. I think the fact that an election with this much polarization still has a popular vote this close shows that most people are voting because of a D or R next to the name or because of some issue they won’t compromise on.

 

[32andBelow]

So Omaha of all Places possibly prevented us from having an electoral tie. 270-268 if nothing flips. Yet the remaining in PA and GA is very blue.

 

[AB19]

Is anyone else enjoying the blame game for the house races?

I haven’t been watching what are they blaming it on?

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

Just curious, as it's a big swing, but how do you go from demsoc to libertarian and maintain any continuity in what you think is good policy? They are pretty far apart.

I can only speak for myself, but as a disaffected progressive I see the appeal of a libertarian platform when contrasted with only a neo-liberal Democrat and a whatever-the-hell Trump is. I want single payer healthcare, democracy reform, and some stronger degree of economic protectionism coupled with worker's rights. I'd be more open to the unfortunate and inevitable anarchy of libertarianism than the stagnation, corruption, and slothfulness of the current oligarchic plutocracy.

 

[Shikaka]

I haven’t been watching what are they blaming it on?

They're getting their shiy pushed in by the Republicans on house elections, they're literally blaming everything except themselves. Similar to when Clinton lost in 2016 "Damn shy voters and coronavirus, definitely not out platform"

 

[CF]

They're getting their shiy pushed in by the Republicans on house elections, they're literally blaming everything except themselves. Similar to when Clinton lost in 2016 "Damn shy voters and coronavirus, definitely not out platform"

they’re still going to have a majority. Just underperforming what they thought they would have and it’s again based on the polls being bad again this year.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I can only speak for myself, but as a disaffected progressive I see the appeal of a libertarian platform when contrasted with only a neo-liberal Democrat and a whatever-the-hell Trump is. I want single payer healthcare, democracy reform, and some stronger degree of economic protectionism coupled with worker's rights. I'd be more open to the unfortunate and inevitable anarchy of libertarianism than the stagnation, corruption, and slothfulness of the current oligarchic plutocracy.

Okay ya I can definitely get behind that logic lol

 

[32andBelow]

A lot of weird ballot splits in this election. Biden carried Maine pretty easy. Yet Collins won pretty easy. Strange

 

[Shikaka]

they’re still going to have a majority. Just underperforming what they thought they would have and it’s again based on the polls being bad again this year.

A majority only helps in so much, I imagine this is signaling to a lot of representatives that strict party line behavior can be detrimental to their seat, hopefully influences a bit more independent voting versus tribal politics.

 

[grackfields420]

A lot of weird ballot splits in this election. Biden carried Maine pretty easy. Yet Collins won pretty easy. Strange

You think its weird that people don't mindlessly vote down the party line and instead vote for what they think would benefit them the most? Not talking shit to you btw lol

 

[Robert_Boucher]

A lot of weird ballot splits in this election. Biden carried Maine pretty easy. Yet Collins won pretty easy. Strange

Collins in a sense is Moderate, and voted outside of party lines on big things, if I had to guess she got votes from both sides. Alot of hard core Republicans in the state did not like her at all.