What do you want to see in the next contract and beyond?

[SquawkHijack]

I see a lot of similarities.

 

[Gauff]

I see a lot of similarities.

How about NATCA gets something included that any day a facility is under the daily staffing guidelines the facility is automatically put into a staffing trigger and flow program.

This way it forces the FAAs hand into figuring out staffing while not burning out controllers and at the same time allows facilities to actually train on manageable traffic levels.

If they want us to work 6 days a week and we continue to be slaves to overtime then we need to make traffic manageable and lighter so we don't get burnt out. Controllers also need to let go of the ego saying that we need to be able to work the busiest traffic. To a point that is true but we should have adequate staffing that all positions are constantly open and we should never have to work the crazy ops we do currently.

 

[Somenewguy]

How about NATCA gets something included that any day a facility is under the daily staffing guidelines the facility is automatically put into a staffing trigger and flow program.

This way it forces the FAAs hand into figuring out staffing while not burning out controllers and at the same time allows facilities to actually train on manageable traffic levels.

If they want us to work 6 days a week and we continue to be slaves to overtime then we need to make traffic manageable and lighter so we don't get burnt out. Controllers also need to let go of the ego saying that we need to be able to work the busiest traffic. To a point that is true but we should have adequate staffing that all positions are constantly open and we should never have to work the crazy ops we do currently.

Also, if your facility is understaffed - the money that the agency isn't paying should be distributed amongst the staff of the facility. Ex- if your number is 26 and you have 20 employees, then there should be 6 CPC salaries distributed in bonuses to the 20 controllers who are doing the work of 26 people.

 

[32andBelow]

How about NATCA gets something included that any day a facility is under the daily staffing guidelines the facility is automatically put into a staffing trigger and flow program.

This way it forces the FAAs hand into figuring out staffing while not burning out controllers and at the same time allows facilities to actually train on manageable traffic levels.

If they want us to work 6 days a week and we continue to be slaves to overtime then we need to make traffic manageable and lighter so we don't get burnt out. Controllers also need to let go of the ego saying that we need to be able to work the busiest traffic. To a point that is true but we should have adequate staffing that all positions are constantly open and we should never have to work the crazy ops we do currently.

The problem is all the alpha controllers wanna prove they can do it combined.

 

[Gauff]

The problem is all the alpha controllers wanna prove they can do it combined.

Yeah it's an issue. I get taking pride in your job and enjoying the ability to be able to work the busiest traffic but from a bargaining standpoint we handicap ourselves with that mindset, and all it does is show the FAA we actually can make do with less

 

[Somenewguy]

The problem is all the alpha controllers wanna prove they can do it combined.

Doing twice the work for the same pay sounds like a real cuck move. I bet they turn down breaks too.

 

[Gauff]

Also, if your facility is understaffed - the money that the agency isn't paying should be distributed amongst the staff of the facility. Ex- if your number is 26 and you have 20 employees, then there should be 6 CPC salaries distributed in bonuses to the 20 controllers who are doing the work of 26 people.

Love that idea! Let's not make the FAA save money by not hiring personnel and assigning OT. Make them pay the same plus required OT

 

[32andBelow]

Doing twice the work for the same pay sounds like a real cuck move. I bet they turn down breaks too.

No it’s actually the opposite. It’s people proving they can do it when it’s busy so they don’t have to open fake d sides and split sectors when it’s not that busy.

 

[penaltyvectors]

Also, if your facility is understaffed - the money that the agency isn't paying should be distributed amongst the staff of the facility. Ex- if your number is 26 and you have 20 employees, then there should be 6 CPC salaries distributed in bonuses to the 20 controllers who are doing the work of 26 people.

If you did this the training success rate would drop to zero, since every checkout means a pay cut for the entire facility. It’s a good idea, but you’d need to tie it to total inbounds or something to not incentivize washing people out.

 

[Gauff]

If you did this the training success rate would drop to zero, since every checkout means a pay cut for the entire facility. It’s a good idea, but you’d need to tie it to total inbounds or something to not incentivize washing people out.

That is a good take on that idea. Could we also do something where say members that were working where there are 20 members when 26 are required, making the bonus of the extra 6 missing don't lose their pay when they certify people? And then the new CPCs would be at the base of the band.

Gotta troubleshoot what we need our next union fighting for since NATCA is dead now

 

[Raise when?]

we wont get shit with nick daniels and eugene freedman selling us out at every opportunity

 

[SquawkHijack]

The problem is all the alpha controllers wanna prove they can do it combined.

This is something big that I feel like isn’t talked about. I understand taking pride in our job, but safety is a big part of what we do and the safest way to work airplanes is to have a well managed operation. Staff the facility, split the airspace and be a team.

 

[SquawkHijack]

That is a good take on that idea. Could we also do something where say members that were working where there are 20 members when 26 are required, making the bonus of the extra 6 missing don't lose their pay when they certify people? And then the new CPCs would be at the base of the band.

Gotta troubleshoot what we need our next union fighting for since NATCA is dead now

NATCA will scoff at this and say we don’t need that much pay and that we’re already right in line with the airlines. 🥴

 

[Somenewguy]

No it’s actually the opposite. It’s people proving they can do it when it’s busy so they don’t have to open fake d sides and split sectors when it’s not that busy.

One person can land an airliner that requires two pilots, that doesn't mean it's safe to do it on a regular basis with paying customers. Even if it works 99/100 times, that isn't an acceptable standard. With a trained professional, our normal day to day job should be routine. I've seen too many times people making it work, but reducing service to pilots and reducing margin for safety when something goes wrong. Handling an emergency when you're working multiple congested frequencies isn't providing a good service, it's poor planning.

If you did this the training success rate would drop to zero, since every checkout means a pay cut for the entire facility. It’s a good idea, but you’d need to tie it to total inbounds or something to not incentivize washing people out.

I am interested to hear people's perspectives on this. Do you also think that trainer pay increasing may have a negative impact on people certifying? Why recommend certification if you can keep training and keep your pay raise?

 

[FightingIrish2012]

There will never be another contract bros. Don’t matter if you are 53 and about to retire it 23 and just reported as a AG.

 

[Somenewguy]

If you did this the training success rate would drop to zero, since every checkout means a pay cut for the entire facility. It’s a good idea, but you’d need to tie it to total inbounds or something to not incentivize washing people out.

Another way to accomplish this would be to give a differential for every hour worked on position, but this also has issues.

10% additional pay for being on position instead of on break would be a good incentive to staff positions, be at work, get eLMS done quicker, etc. For government shutdowns and situations where people are on free leave, it gives an incentive for those who are willing to show up and do their job. It would be a significant raise to those who work 6 hours on position a day. And it would be a nice bonus for those who spend half the day on break anyways.

 

[Mike Kilo]

There will never be another contract bros. Don’t matter if you are 53 and about to retire it 23 and just reported as a AG.

Time to get some matching tattoos!

 

[Soul_Controller]

It's probably already been suggested here, but a currency bonus would be a good incentive. 0.5 percent of your yearly salary as a bonus each month you're current or something like that.

 

[Mike Kilo]

I’d like an article saying I can trade 3 hours of leave to bitch slap anyone at work
For legal purposes, this is a joke.

You get more than that! Time for you and your rep to write up a statement and then again time later to both to rebut the statement of the supposed slapped. Might get some time on the beach afterwards but I’ve seen it take whole days to write it up!