What do you want to see in the next contract and beyond?

[boots]

Maybe Emily Steele can do an article about our pay and get the public on our side?

I’m sure the American public is dying to get behind a bunch of air traffic controllers who make 150k plus with great benefits

 

[abc1234]

I'll say it again, read Collision Course. There were many many successful slow down/safety plays/play by the book shifts that caused waves of delays at core 30s prior to the strike that got the government to wake up and give them what they needed.
It was pissed off, burnt out, underappreciated controllers who did it on their own then, and may eventually repeat itself soon.

Absolutely. Let's not forget where we came from. From PATCO Wikipedia:

On March 25, 1970, the newly designated union orchestrated a controller "sickout" to protest many of the FAA actions that they felt were unfair; over 2,000 controllers around the country did not report to work as scheduled and informed management that they were ill.[4] Controllers called in sick to circumvent the federal law against strikes by government unions. Management personnel attempted to assume many of the duties of the missing controllers but major traffic delays around the country occurred. On April 16, the federal courts intervened and most controllers went back to work by order of the court, but the government was forced to the bargaining table. The sickout led officials to recognize that the ATC system was operating nearly at capacity. To alleviate some of this, Congress accelerated the installation of automated systems, reopened the air traffic controller training academy in Oklahoma City, began hiring air traffic controllers at an increasing rate, and raised salaries to help attract and retain controllers.[2]

There's our precedent, folks. LFG.

 

[BCHOOSIER]

Again, I am not disagreeing with you. The difference is I am not in the past. I am thinking about the present and future. Thankfully our current leadership is different and we will have new leadership for the next negotiations. The extension has no bearing on the upcoming negotiations

"Thankfully our current leadership is different.." You're joking right?

Our current President and EVP were members of the NEB at the time of the extension. Furthermore, of the 12 NEB members at the time of the extension, 9 of the 12 are still members of the NEB. Jim, who just retired last month or so would of been the 10th member. Brian, replaced Rich. Nick, who was the ARVP, replaced Andrew. Paul is on the payroll and hanging around. Dean is still the Chief of Staff. So outside of Trish, the past team, is still our current team.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

"Thankfully our current leadership is different.." You're joking right?

Our current President and EVP were members of the NEB at the time of the extension. Furthermore, of the 12 NEB members at the time of the extension, 9 of the 12 are still members of the NEB. Jim, who just retired last month or so would have been the 10th member. Brian, replaced Rich. Nick, who was the ARVP, replaced Andrew. Paul is on the payroll and hanging around. Dean is still the Chief of Staff. So outside of Trish, the past team, is still our current team.

Solid rebuttal.

We’re about to have a national election.

 

[32andBelow]

I’m sure the American public is dying to get behind a bunch of air traffic controllers who make 150k plus with great benefits

Yah the public actually wants the people making sure airplanes don’t collide are compensated. Also we need to frame it in the tone of the raises the rest of the Industry has gotten. Including TSA

The public already thinks we are so stressed out

 

[boots]

Yah the public actually wants the people making sure airplanes don’t collide are compensated. Also we need to frame it in the tone of the raises the rest of the Industry has gotten. Including TSA

The public already thinks we are so stressed out

Good news, airplanes aren’t colliding

 

[Phanatical]

Good news, airplanes aren’t colliding

 

[boots]

Damn, those crashes were ATCs fault?

 

[Dolan]

Damn, those crashes were ATCs fault?

ATC was involved. The pilots were committed 😉

 

[Phanatical]

Damn, those crashes were ATCs fault?

Reference APA Mid-Air (NTSB Analysis): "The controller did not issue a traffic advisory to the pilot of Swearingen regarding the location of the Cirrus. The two airplanes were on different tower frequencies and had the controller issued an advisory, the pilot of the Swearingen may have been able to identify the conflict and maneuver his airplane to avoid the collision."

Reference VGT Mid-Air: Preliminary NTSB report shows that neither aircraft was issued traffic advisories or safety alerts per the transcripts.

 

[boots]

Reference APA Mid-Air (NTSB Analysis): "The controller did not issue a traffic advisory to the pilot of Swearingen regarding the location of the Cirrus. The two airplanes were on different tower frequencies and had the controller issued an advisory, the pilot of the Swearingen may have been able to identify the conflict and maneuver his airplane to avoid the collision."

Reference VGT Mid-Air: Preliminary NTSB report shows that neither aircraft was issued traffic advisories or safety alerts per the transcripts.

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Alright, 40k would have prevented that collision

 

[32andBelow]

Alright, 40k would have prevented that collision

Im willing to test it out if you are

 

[Jay-Jay Jet Plane]

Not sure if its been said but i want to see a timeline requirement as a CPC before you're eligible to submit ERR paperwork. Im tired of getting people checked out only for them to leave before working their first mid.

 

[ABACUS]

Not sure if its been said but i want to see a timeline requirement as a CPC before you're eligible to submit ERR paperwork. Im tired of getting people checked out only for them to leave before working their first mid.

So let’s fuck up the fucked up system by making it more fucked up?

 

[Move78]

12 month cpc just like a bid just like a swap

 

[Jay-Jay Jet Plane]

12 month cpc just like a bid just like a swap

at least. one of our guys said 18mo so they can start training to at least have some skin in the game

 

[Spoony90]

I blame the NTI. Certifying people on slow traffic and burning out OJTIs just so the FAA can be like “hey look! We’re fixing the staffing problem!”

 

[SunnyATC]

Wouldn’t the parallel runways in use be on the ATIS at APA satisfying the need to let pilots know about traffic on the parallel runway?

 

[KP-ATC]

Wouldn’t the parallel runways in use be on the ATIS at APA satisfying the need to let pilots know about traffic on the parallel runway?

Probably but that doesn't satisfy the need for a traffic call

 

[Move78]

Probably but that doesn't satisfy the need for a traffic call

The sr22 was issued traffic properly. He blew through the final so badly that he also blew through the parallel final. Atrocious pilot error. The key lime straight in was not given traffic properly. Made no difference because the collision came from behind him anyway but technically he needed to be given that call on the sr22 base to final for the parallel.