Where to get all hourly data to show a facility shouldn't have mids?

[woodski]

Our mids are slow! Where can I find the historic hourly traffic for the last year or so to show the mid isn't justified?

 

[Ultadis]

Use the TCI tool. You can download it into an excel and then just sort it by hour. To reduce facility hours you have to put together a staff study, OSG can help you build it. There’s an order that lays out everything you need. I can’t recall it off the top of my head. I can check tomorrow and dm you.

 

[PlasticBag12]

Use the TCI tool. You can download it into an excel and then just sort it by hour. To reduce facility hours you have to put together a staff study, OSG can help you build it. There’s an order that lays out everything you need. I can’t recall it off the top of my head. I can check tomorrow and dm you.

What is OSG? I tried to do this years ago and was basically told by management that it would fail miserably so I stopped. If I remember right it has to be more than 4 ops/hr and ours is consistently 0-1 between midnight and 5.

 

[Eve]

Countops has a function where you can look at traffic hourly and compare it for a year or more. Getting the facility hours changed/ FAA management to do their part is likely never going to happen. I've been trying since 2018 to reduce the hours our tower is open since we sit up there and babysit dead radios for 4-6 hours of the time it's open. The order states any hours you average less than 4 ops is reason to reduce it. Good luck!

 

[Ultadis]

Jo 7232.5 has the requirements for reducing facilities hours. OSG is a group at your service area that are supposed to help facilities with Loa’s, airspace, procedures, and a lot of other stuff. Each service are has them broken up into different groups and districts. Poke around on your service area’s KSN and you will probably find the exact name of who you need. Or your facility management “should” know.

 

[CF]

If your picture is where you work I highly doubt they’ll ever let you stop the mids. Between being a divert airport and that the county would never be on board it’s probably dead in the water.

 

[KP-ATC]

If your picture is where you work I highly doubt they’ll ever let you stop the mids. Between being a divert airport and that the county would never be on board it’s probably dead in the water.

A divert airport? Aren't they all?

 

[AS88]

Another thing to note is that if you reduce hours for the facility it can then affect your staffing numbers and what is deemed "necessary" for your facility. So sometimes its more of a benefit to be 24/7.

 

[Termine]

Another thing to note is that if you reduce hours for the facility it can then affect your staffing numbers and what is deemed "necessary" for your facility.

Fair point, but if they're (for example) currently at 10/15 people and can't staff the facility under the new rest rules, so the mid goes away and the target gets reduced and now they're at 10/12 people, wouldn't that still be better for overall staffing?

 

[Soul_Controller]

There might be "requirements" but this turns political really quickly. You don't really get to unilaterally reduce government services. The congressman, the city, the county, stakeholders, users etc. can all become obstacles.

 

[CF]

A divert airport? Aren't they all?

Yeah the 777s from Asia are definitely landing at SQL.

 

[32andBelow]

If your picture is where you work I highly doubt they’ll ever let you stop the mids. Between being a divert airport and that the county would never be on board it’s probably dead in the water.

There’s etops divert airports that don’t have towers at all

 

[Railgeek]

What is OSG? I tried to do this years ago and was basically told by management that it would fail miserably so I stopped. If I remember right it has to be more than 4 ops/hr and ours is consistently 0-1 between midnight and 5.

OSG stands for Operations Support Group.

 

[CF]

There’s etops divert airports that don’t have towers at all

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about when a core 30 suddenly can’t take anymore arrivals for whatever reason and you need to find a place to send 30 air carriers. You aren’t sending them to an untowered field.

 

[KP-ATC]

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about when a core 30 suddenly can’t take anymore arrivals for whatever reason and you need to find a place to send 30 air carriers. You aren’t sending them to an untowered field.

20 years ago, I was working tower at a joint use airport that was once a big SAC base. We had limited airline service, but it was a 139 airport. It was a crappy weather day. Center watch desk called:
Z: hi, we are having lots of air carrier diverts, how many can you take?
Me: how many have you got?
Z: no, seriously how many will fit on your ramp?
Me: a couple hundred I suppose.
Z: no, seriously - how many?
Me: I am serious.

I wound up with something like 4 or 5 air carriers and had them park in the run up areas at the end of the runway - didn't even use any ramp space.

 

[GulfCharlie]

20 years ago, I was working tower at a joint use airport that was once a big SAC base. We had limited airline service, but it was a 139 airport. It was a crappy weather day. Center watch desk called:
Z: hi, we are having lots of air carrier diverts, how many can you take?
Me: how many have you got?
Z: no, seriously how many will fit on your ramp?
Me: a couple hundred I suppose.
Z: no, seriously - how many?
Me: I am serious.

I wound up with something like 4 or 5 air carriers and had them park in the run up areas at the end of the runway - didn't even use any ramp space.

The SAC days were glorious from what I have heard.

 

[GMX]

"Stakeholders" own your mid, yo. It ain't goin' nowhere. Retire Day 1 of eligibility. Welcome to the Machine.