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[HenryTheAce]

Yeah and hopefully they try really hard and check out fast and don't take advantage of the fact they have no quals and a shit ton of leave saved up and the ability to take spot leave whenever they feel like it!

Hahah yeah I’m sure they won’t milk it out ?

Wait so they get fired?

That is what I was told in our facility briefing on the training order thing. That they will not have the opportunity at the NEST and can face termination. Now if that happens or not I have no idea, but that’s what I was told.

 

[32andBelow]

Hahah yeah I’m sure they won’t milk it out ?

That is what I was told in our facility briefing on the training order thing. That they will not have the opportunity at the NEST and can face termination. Now if that happens or not I have no idea, but that’s what I was told.

Wow. Big yikes.

 

[Rico]

Hahah yeah I’m sure they won’t milk it out ?

That is what I was told in our facility briefing on the training order thing. That they will not have the opportunity at the NEST and can face termination. Now if that happens or not I have no idea, but that’s what I was told.

Yeah, no way. The fact that your FACREP let this garbage info get put out is disconcerting.

 

[HenryTheAce]

Yeah, no way. The fact that your FACREP let this garbage info get put out is disconcerting.

If it is fake news, I agree. Did no one else get the same new national training order briefing and discuss how training will do for the EA’s? I found it hard to believe too that they would not be NEST’d. I do know though, that our facility is giving them MAX hours of the “zero experience” people so they get a ton

 

[32andBelow]

I thought there was supposed in the Covid mous about if you don’t come back last October or whatever then you face recert or something

 

[HenryTheAce]

I thought there was supposed in the Covid mous about if you don’t come back last October or whatever then you face recert or something

Yeah there was. We had one come back once that 120 days was up or whatever. Bunch chose to stay out though. They’re in zoom classes, then do labs, then the floor re-training

 

[aaran34]

Our returning high risk CPC’s had a week of zoom, a week in the training department, and re-certified in a week or less. It was pretty seamless.

 

[32andBelow]

Our returning high risk CPC’s had a week of zoom, a week in the training department, and re-certified in a week or less. It was pretty seamless.

I think you qualify under a different table with the new training order if you’ve been out this long.

 

[aaran34]

I think you qualify under a different table with the new training order if you’ve been out this long.

I’m not sure if it was a waiver or how they met all the stipulations of the change in the training order. I do know all of the 3 exceeded 9 months on EA, 1 was out more than a year.

 

[Billybob]

So does anybody have the reasoning behind the FAA forcing everyone back to work? From what I gathered it was pretty sudden and no reasoning was given

 

[32andBelow]

So does anybody have the reasoning behind the FAA forcing everyone back to work? From what I gathered it was pretty sudden and no reasoning was given

NATCA prolly ran out of reasons not to

 

[Atcbrownie]

Under the new training order if you are a CPC who has been out more than 120 days you must fully recertify. Having said that, recertifications have no minimum hour requirements but you are given full target hours if needed.

 

[CF]

Under the new training order if you are a CPC who has been out more than 120 days you must fully recertify. Having said that, recertifications have no minimum hour requirements but you are given full target hours if needed.

We just had a guy come back from training at a bigger tower with less than a year gone. He plugged into ground for like 15 minutes then got a check ride.

 

[Soham]

So does anybody have the reasoning behind the FAA forcing everyone back to work? From what I gathered it was pretty sudden and no reasoning was given

Traffic is on the rise. My facility is busier now than it was pre-COVID. We've had stupid deals that could have been and should have been avoided and I'm sure other facilities have too.

Also the FAA would have a hard time explaining the budget and staffing required when we're working pre-covid traffic with way smaller crews. NATCA wouldn't want the FAA to lower staffing numbers because then they lose out on money too.

 

[jamisjockey]

So does anybody have the reasoning behind the FAA forcing everyone back to work? From what I gathered it was pretty sudden and no reasoning was given

Traffic on the rise and prime time leave. There was no way to keep up the 5/5 at most facilities and accommodate prime time leave.
The country is opening back up. People are getting vaccinated.
Some facilities are even working higher than pre covid levels.

the FAA was never willing to curtail services for this “pandemic” when it was at its height. Why would they curtail it now to accommodate vacation time when the country is getting back to normal?

 

[Komp]

NATCA prolly ran out of reasons not to

All you do on this forum is complain and blame NATCA for everything. Staffing is a management right. In other words, NATCA never had any power in any negotiations to lower staffing for the pandemic. The agency made all the decisions with input from NATCA. But, don't let reality get in the way of your hatred for organized labor.

 

[32andBelow]

All you do on this forum is complain and blame NATCA for everything. Staffing is a management right. In other words, NATCA never had any power in any negotiations to lower staffing for the pandemic. The agency made all the decisions with input from NATCA. But, don't let reality get in the way of your hatred for organized labor.

Im not blaming NATCA. I think NATCA held us on 5/5 as long as possible and that the faa wanted us back a while ago. So we are going back now because we can’t prolong it anymore.

 

[Komp]

Im not blaming NATCA. I think NATCA held us on 5/5 as long as possible and that the faa wanted us back a while ago. So we are going back now because we can’t prolong it anymore.

You clearly don't understand management rights. If the agency wanted us on normal schedules the entire time, we would have been.

 

[32andBelow]

You clearly don't understand management rights. If the agency wanted us on normal schedules the entire time, we would have been.

You don’t think the 5/5 was negotiated? Lol.

 

[CF]

You don’t think the 5/5 was negotiated? Lol.

His point is that management has control over the schedule and doesn’t need natcas buy in to make changes. If the FAA didn’t want us on 5/5 we wouldn’t be, it’s that simple. I’m sure natca was on board though.