Hiring Bid FAA-ATO-21-ALLSRCE-73599

[SpikeTerm]

Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.

So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?

Someone sounds butt hurt

 

[The_real_rico_suave508]

Nice blurry image lol

Nice blurry image lol

Idk why it ended up like that kept saying attachment file too large so I went with a lower quality and now that I see it you can’t read shit on it lmao

 

[Momo]

it's because being a smart scholar doesn't necessary mean you can be a controller. i think the aptitude test is a better measure for them. even so you won't know until you actually train at your facility. even someone with BQ might not make it. the job is not for everyone it's either you can do it or you can't.

by the way, when do they assign your facility??? heard it's after you pass the academy is that still the case?

 

[sminitsua]

by the way, when do they assign your facility??? heard it's after you pass the academy is that still the case?

Yes, the highest scorer in your academy class will get to pick first out of the locations on your facility list. Bottom scorer (but still passing) picks last.

Hopeful that I get a TOL. I know it’s preemptive and I might not even receive one, but if I do, I would really want tower for it’s lenient passing rate.

 

[FAABurger]

I heard a rumor that the FAA is going to keep basics virtual indefinitely. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Toaster]

Yes, the highest scorer in your academy class will get to pick first out of the locations on your facility list. Bottom scorer (but still passing) picks last.

Hopeful that I get a TOL. I know it’s preemptive and I might not even receive one, but if I do, I would really want tower for it’s lenient passing rate.

If we both make it, me tower, you not, let's swap. I called it first

 

[Even Steven]

I also want terminal. But when it comes to the FAA, from what I've read, whatever you want, you prob won't get lol.

 

[Phanatical]

I heard a rumor that the FAA is going to keep basics virtual indefinitely. Can anyone confirm this?

It’s technically been indefinitely since the start of the pandemic. That’s not news.

 

[flypilot]

I also want terminal. But when it comes to the FAA, from what I've read, whatever you want, you prob won't get lol.

100% correct. I got literally the complete opposite of what I wanted. I wanted enroute and got terminal. I wanted to go anywhere but the south and I went to the south lol

 

[Momo]

Yes, the highest scorer in your academy class will get to pick first out of the locations on your facility list. Bottom scorer (but still passing) picks last.

man, the person who came up with that method sure loves competition. guess you can only cross your fingers if you're last!

will the number of facilities match the number of students or will there be more so that the bottom will at least get more than one sucky choice? lol

 

[dvinpayne]

man, the person who came up with that method sure loves competition. guess you can only cross your fingers if you're last!

will the number of facilities match the number of students or will there be more so that the bottom will at least get more than one sucky choice? lol

There may be alternates if there are oconus facilities, but that's not guaranteed. The system also motivates high-performing students to help the lowest trainees so there are more choices.

 

[Petey]

I also want terminal. But when it comes to the FAA, from what I've read, whatever you want, you prob won't get lol.

Why terminal? I am curious to know your reasoning. As for me, I have no idea!

 

[Even Steven]

man, the person who came up with that method sure loves competition. guess you can only cross your fingers if you're last!

will the number of facilities match the number of students or will there be more so that the bottom will at least get more than one sucky choice? lol

It's gonna be the hunger games!

And you're right: The number of facilities will match the number of trainees, so there won't be any leftovers lol.

Why terminal? I am curious to know your reasoning. As for me, I have no idea!

I have a superficial understanding about the difference between enroute and terminal. Enroute (centers) controls planes at high altitudes, and terminal (towers and TRACONs) controls planes at low altitudes.

But as for me preferring terminal over enroute, the pass rate is higher for terminal than enroute at the academy. Also, if you pass the academy and get sent to a terminal facility, the training time to become a CPC (Certified Professional Controller) is significantly shorter when compared to enroute (maybe about one year for terminal and 2-3 years for enroute). Also, there's a lot more terminal facilities than enroute facilities, so there are more places to relocate to, although relocation is apparently difficult to do.

As for enroute, however, I know a lot of people prefer it because the pay is much, much better since enroute facilities are a level 10 or above. For terminal, you'll be starting at a level 7 or below, so the pay is lower. In many cases, an enroute trainee will eventually make more than a CPC at a low-level terminal facility. So there are pros and cons to both.

Someone on Reddit mentioned there are about five enroute classes for every terminal class, so I guess chances are high of getting enroute. I'll take whatever they give me if I'm fortunate to get a TOL, but I think I still prefer terminal ... unless someone convinces me otherwise … but it’s not like a have a choice anyway lol.

 

[Petey]

I have a superficial understanding about the difference between enroute and terminal. Enroute (centers) controls planes at high altitudes, and terminal (towers and TRACONs) controls planes at low altitudes.

But as for me preferring terminal over enroute, the pass rate is higher for terminal than enroute at the academy. Also, if you pass the academy and get sent to a terminal facility, the training time to become a CPC (Certified Professional Controller) is significantly shorter when compared to enroute (maybe about one year for terminal and 2-3 years for enroute). Also, there's a lot more terminal facilities than enroute facilities, so there are more places to relocate to, although relocation is apparently difficult to do.

As for enroute, however, I know a lot of people prefer it because the pay is much, much better since enroute facilities are a level 10 or above. For terminal, you'll be starting at a level 7 or below, so the pay is lower. In many cases, an enroute trainee will eventually make more than a CPC at a low-level terminal facility. So there are pros and cons to both.

Someone on Reddit mentioned there are about five enroute classes for every terminal class, so I guess chances are high of getting enroute. I'll take whatever they give me if I'm fortunate to get a TOL, but I think I still prefer terminal ... unless someone convinces me otherwise … but it’s not like a have a choice anyway lol.

Allegedly, we will see more terminal positions than anything (7s and below from what I was told). I have no idea if that's true.
Also, I wonder how the agency decides what role they give. Maybe it's random?

 

[5quint]

Allegedly, we will see more terminal positions than anything (7s and below from what I was told). I have no idea if that's true.
Also, I wonder how the agency decides what role they give. Maybe it's random?

Interesting, my HR rep has said very little to me but he said to expect much more en-route than terminal. I have TOL, so maybe that’s for the classes that are sooner though? Interesting either way!

 

[Ahung1]

Interesting, my HR rep has said very little to me but he said to expect much more en-route than terminal. I have TOL, so maybe that’s for the classes that are sooner though? Interesting either way!

How do you already have a TOL?

 

[Even Steven]

Allegedly, we will see more terminal positions than anything (7s and below from what I was told). I have no idea if that's true.
Also, I wonder how the agency decides what role they give. Maybe it's random?

I remember reading a thread somewhere on this site where someone (I can't remember who) said that someone else said the powers that be make a list in alphabetical order, and they assign people to a track, switching back and forth between enroute and terminal until they run out of terminal positions. Then, the rest of the people on that list get enroute since that's all that's left.

But then another user said that's ridiculous because, if that were true, all terminal controllers would have last names that start at the beginning of the alphabet, which isn't the case irl. So maybe it is totally random. Who knows.

 

[Ahung1]

I took a closer look at the job listing I saw a weird line that made me wonder what they meant by it…

“applicants who are not within 120 days of separation will be assessed as non preference eligibles.”

What the heck is a non preference eligible?

I remember reading a thread somewhere on this site where someone (I can't remember who) said that someone else said the powers that be make a list in alphabetical order, and they assign people to a track, switching back and forth between enroute and terminal until they run out of terminal positions. Then, the rest of the people on that list get enroute since that's all that's left.

But then another user said that's ridiculous because, if that were true, all terminal controllers would have last names that start at the beginning of the alphabet, which isn't the case irl. So maybe it is totally random. Who knows.

We can’t try and make any sense out of how the government conducts business. I just know that as government employee, many of us are not trained very well besides select positions.

 

[5quint]

How do you already have a TOL?

I have been applying to bids from years, I took an ATSA in May and got TOL in early July, but I think my TOL is from the 2020 bid. The TOL itself doesn’t say which bud it is from that I can find.

 

[Ahung1]

I have been applying to bids from years, I took an ATSA in May and got TOL in early July, but I think my TOL is from the 2020 bid. The TOL itself doesn’t say which bud it is from that I can find.

Wow that’s incredible how slow they moved! I can’t believe that happened to you.. I hope that doesn’t happen to this bid. I wonder if others had this issue in 2020…