November (Q1) 2023

[Soul_Controller]

There's a decent number of ERR's in the system for A80, they just aren't eligible to release. Also when you guys pick up everybody that has decent radar experience every single panel, they aren't in the pool for next panel like they would be at a place like CLT or F11 so you constantly need new applicants from other well staffed radar places but all the big house TRACONs are hurting. A lot of people are also probably turned off by the 44% success rate and no NEST policy.

Exactly, a lot of these places were shit holes before NCEPT and will be shit holes after NCEPT. A80 ain't special

 

[Dontbotherme]

Yeah, but look at all the OT you are getting!!

After working 7.5 of the last 10 years here, with a minimum of 40 assigned OTs each year as a non volunteer, it isn’t worth it. I’d rather spend time with my family than be at work more than 40 hours a week.

BGM has radar, but they work about a paltry 80 ops a day haha

My apologies to them as I nor anyone else here realized they had an approach. Lol

 

[abc1234]

My apologies to them as I nor anyone else here realized they had an approach. Lol

"Approach" is a big word for BGM. You could probably count on one hand the amount of times they need to sequence IFR arrivals each year.

 

[WavesAndClouds]

LETS GOOOO. Moving on up.

 

[wikdevo]

Nothing like a 2nd try at D10 after being there for 5 years the first time...

you jelly of him?

 

[Eagle1Fox2]

How long for TOLs/FOLs and do they just email them to us in our FAA emails?

 

[TermLimits]

How long for TOLs/FOLs and do they just email them to us in our FAA emails?

Went to my FAA email last panel. Some folks get it to the one listed on the paperwork. Check both in a week or two

 

[atc12bsthrowaway]

After working 7.5 of the last 10 years here, with a minimum of 40 assigned OTs each year as a non volunteer, it isn’t worth it. I’d rather spend time with my family than be at work more than 40 hours a week.


My apologies to them as I nor anyone else here realized they had an approach. Lol

I’m just glad SCT isn’t getting all the BGM rockstars. Save some for everyone else.

 

[Acquired Taste]

I’m just glad SCT isn’t getting all the BGM rockstars. Save some for everyone else.

With 132 ERRs in the system, they're bound to share the wealth throughout the NAS

 

[100pctwet]

With 132 ERRs in the system, they're bound to share the wealth throughout the NAS

There should be about 70 less now

 

[hubbabubba]

can you sup to a fac and then just quit and be a controller

Yes, but you lose all seniority and go to the bottom

 

[FlightOfTheShortGuy]

Yes, but you lose all seniority and go to the bottom

From what I understand you lose the seniority for however long you were a sup for. 5 years of seniority, move to being a sup for 3 years, leaves you with 2 years seniority.

 

[rugbydog11]

From what I understand you lose the seniority for however long you were a sup for. 5 years of seniority, move to being a sup for 3 years, leaves you with 2 years seniority.

Nope. You start fresh if you take a permanent position and quit. If you take a temp sup, you just freeze your seniority.

 

[ChuckNovember]

All of those none's came from facilities who couldn't release legitimately to in-grades/downgrades so they were probably ART 124 moves ( I think that's the right ART without looking it up)

Didn’t take long for people to start using this article after the ZMA > ZDV move a few panels ago. IIRC that was the first time anyone had used that article under NCEPT.

 

[Move78]

Didn’t take long for people to start using this article after the ZMA > ZDV move a few panels ago. IIRC that was the first time anyone had used that article under NCEPT.

There have been A124s before

 

[ChuckNovember]

There have been A124s before

before the one I mentioned?

 

[Move78]

before the one I mentioned?

Yes

 

[Acquired Taste]

Didn’t take long for people to start using this article after the ZMA > ZDV move a few panels ago. IIRC that was the first time anyone had used that article under NCEPT.

I think 2 panels ago there was an A124 ZNY to CLT that caught my eye. I didn't even know that article existed before I saw that move. Honestly I'm surprised more of the ZNY/N90 guys aren't using it to finish out their careers at a less stressful country club

 

[ChuckNovember]

I think 2 panels ago there was an A124 ZNY to CLT that caught my eye. I didn't even know that article existed before I saw that move. Honestly I'm surprised more of the ZNY/N90 guys aren't using it to finish out their careers at a less stressful country club

I would imagine this article will be more and more common especially as the end of the contract nears.

 

[abc1234]

I think 2 panels ago there was an A124 ZNY to CLT that caught my eye. I didn't even know that article existed before I saw that move. Honestly I'm surprised more of the ZNY/N90 guys aren't using it to finish out their careers at a less stressful country club

Almost everyone at ZNY and N90 who has been CPC for at least 15 years has a family and strong ties to the region. it's a hard sell to move your whole family, take your kids to a new school, sell your house, and become a trainee again when you're less than 10 years from retirement.