Easiest facilities for every dollar/ hardest facilities for every dollar

N90 is a joke
It is. The traffic is the easy part. The staffing is “so bad” yet they work hour on hour off and have an hour shove at the end of every shift. Most ppl are home half the day. During Covid 2+ hrs on 2+ hrs off? but the staffing…. The only thing that sucks is working with the same 10 ppl 6 days a week for 18 years and they just all start to go fucking nuts… oh and shit hole Nassau county lol
 
Can you post all tracons numbers? And where did you get your traffic count numbers
It's from TCIP for terminal and OpsNet for centers. Total facility ops divided by current CPCs
It’s a nice, high-level overview. But, raw traffic data can be very misleading.

1. Complexity makes the job “more difficult” than volume.
2. You really have to divide it up into areas of Zs and large TRACONs. All areas are obviously not created equal.
1. Which is why they have the TCI but it really needs to be modernized. Until they find a way to grade the hi and bye overflight vs the guy that deviated 3 different buildups and then went nordo there will never be a true way to measure complexity.
2. Something that will also never happen because it cause friction in house which is no bueno from the FAA and NATCA side
 
Can you post all tracons numbers? And where did you get your traffic count numbers
Facility IDTotal OpsTower OpsRadar Ops
A11
300827​
0​
300827​
A80
1053016​
0​
1053016​
A90
770713​
0​
770713​
ABE
199038​
86668​
112370​
ABI
112932​
45795​
67137​
ABQ
323140​
148439​
174701​
ACK
60750​
60750​
0​
ACT
183100​
83254​
99846​
ACY
145886​
58794​
87092​
ADS
135422​
135422​
0​
ADW
57594​
57594​
0​
AFW
124867​
124867​
0​
AGC
69053​
69053​
0​
AGS
116444​
41036​
75408​
ALB
152205​
59415​
92790​
ALO
48920​
25613​
23307​
AMA
105988​
42926​
63062​
ANC
282507​
282507​
0​
APA
300670​
300670​
0​
APC
67155​
67155​
0​
ARB
87129​
87129​
0​
ARR
75875​
75875​
0​
ASE
105031​
50225​
54806​
ATL
724329​
724329​
0​
AUS
689758​
270762​
418996​
AVL
164601​
79581​
85020​
AVP
110045​
39863​
70182​
AZO
364184​
53784​
310400​
BDL
82794​
82794​
0​
BED
125565​
125565​
0​
BFI
172924​
172924​
0​
BFL
182292​
91977​
90315​
BGM
39865​
17013​
22852​
BGR
103814​
43842​
59972​
BHM
273665​
102371​
171294​
BIL
169031​
95730​
73301​
BIS
57760​
31434​
26326​
BJC
264357​
264357​
0​
BNA
635543​
264284​
371259​
BOI
368535​
143544​
224991​
BOS
396393​
396393​
0​
BPT
19088​
19088​
0​
BTR
145216​
63975​
81241​
BTV
195981​
102660​
93321​
BUF
202898​
67967​
134931​
BUR
191182​
191182​
0​
BWI
227697​
227697​
0​
C90
1070433​
0​
1070433​
CAE
175218​
69469​
105749​
CAK
50593​
50593​
0​
CCR
112496​
112496​
0​
CDW
139961​
139961​
0​
CHA
197637​
92075​
105562​
CHS
314705​
124851​
189854​
CID
97857​
43784​
54073​
CKB
67137​
15041​
52096​
CLE
378414​
106814​
271600​
CLT
1099900​
502410​
597490​
CMA
199757​
199757​
0​
CMH
442557​
128578​
313979​
CMI
110286​
55781​
54505​
CNO
214019​
214019​
0​
COS
308049​
158315​
149734​
CPR
56953​
37150​
19803​
CPS
112121​
112121​
0​
CRP
324849​
81585​
243264​
CRQ
148627​
148627​
0​
CRW
91684​
43579​
48105​
CSG
38007​
38007​
0​
CVG
386973​
145785​
241188​
D01
892976​
0​
892976​
D10
1276028​
0​
1276028​
D21
437091​
0​
437091​
DAB
619868​
298218​
321650​
DAL
257391​
257391​
0​
DAY
40488​
40488​
0​
DCA
340625​
340625​
0​
DEN
612246​
612246​
0​
DFW
659055​
659055​
0​
DLH
113696​
62303​
51393​
DPA
119753​
119753​
0​
DSM
179673​
84263​
95410​
DTW
285472​
285472​
0​
DVT
280719​
280719​
0​
DWH
151494​
151494​
0​
ELM
44554​
15668​
28886​
ELP
238002​
114848​
123154​
EMT
94922​
94922​
0​
ERI
24699​
24699​
0​
EUG
154862​
61308​
93554​
EVV
100561​
40297​
60264​
EWR
500175​
500175​
0​
F11
684919​
0​
684919​
FAI
201531​
114213​
87318​
FAR
172108​
88558​
83550​
FAT
215604​
89218​
126386​
FAY
145996​
35484​
110512​
FCM
122848​
122848​
0​
FFZ
343237​
343237​
0​
FLL
300723​
300723​
0​
FLO
78893​
29966​
48927​
FNT
48672​
48672​
0​
FPR
143690​
143690​
0​
FRG
249730​
249730​
0​
FSD
149384​
74401​
74983​
FSM
165341​
24537​
140804​
FTW
190380​
190380​
0​
FWA
122003​
42650​
79353​
FXE
186859​
186859​
0​
GCN
59556​
59556​
0​
GEG
235765​
79165​
156600​
GFK
301944​
301944​
0​
GGG
163944​
77952​
85992​
GPT
143956​
58374​
85582​
GRB
114725​
36323​
78402​
GRR
74811​
74811​
0​
GSO
246335​
91483​
154852​
GSP
206775​
53502​
153273​
GTF
64207​
35873​
28334​
HEF
109200​
109200​
0​
HIO
162794​
162794​
0​
HLN
54423​
44004​
10419​
HNL
310915​
310915​
0​
HOU
208282​
208282​
0​
HPN
167912​
167912​
0​
HSV
175610​
64592​
111018​
HTS
49322​
12075​
37247​
HUF
126625​
73643​
52982​
HWD
177745​
177745​
0​
I90
872307​
0​
872307​
IAD
276339​
276339​
0​
IAH
403936​
403936​
0​
ICT
276794​
113263​
163531​
ILG
51015​
51015​
0​
ILM
185216​
81715​
103501​
IND
491502​
196534​
294968​
ISP
162641​
162641​
0​
ITO
86339​
47537​
38802​
JAN
144244​
67437​
76807​
JAX
474361​
103496​
370865​
JFK
468461​
468461​
0​
JNU
85559​
85559​
0​
L30
651223​
0​
651223​
LAF
113309​
113309​
0​
LAN
30205​
30205​
0​
LAS
593717​
593717​
0​
LAX
571090​
571090​
0​
LBB
191370​
95676​
95694​
LCH
75528​
28807​
46721​
LEX
231691​
86605​
145086​
LFT
99898​
43152​
56746​
LGA
422563​
422563​
0​
LGB
328970​
328970​
0​
LIT
233729​
89750​
143979​
LNK
74734​
74734​
0​
LOU
103371​
103371​
0​
LVK
198838​
198838​
0​
M03
293854​
0​
293854​
M98
425166​
0​
425166​
MAF
192765​
64193​
128572​
MBS
17738​
17738​
0​
MCI
310450​
103825​
206625​
MCO
363305​
363305​
0​
MDT
208070​
55987​
152083​
MDW
217343​
217343​
0​
MEM
214923​
214923​
0​
MFD
19889​
19889​
0​
MGM
129446​
58601​
70845​
MHT
50551​
50551​
0​
MIA
1541203​
462654​
1078549​
MIC
47033​
47033​
0​
MKC
121320​
121320​
0​
MKE
299956​
91388​
208568​
MKG
31126​
31126​
0​
MLI
80010​
32199​
47811​
MLU
77799​
35499​
42300​
MMU
127709​
127709​
0​
MOB
184710​
67022​
117688​
MRI
152482​
152482​
0​
MRY
60564​
60564​
0​
MSN
179886​
78032​
101854​
MSP
325771​
325771​
0​
MSY
379657​
127950​
251707​
MWH
123501​
85769​
37732​
MYF
315479​
315479​
0​
MYR
494860​
266951​
227909​
N90
1854906​
0​
1854906​
NCT
1496510​
0​
1496510​
NEW
79091​
79091​
0​
OAK
228929​
228929​
0​
OGG
149593​
149593​
0​
OKC
327660​
106045​
221615​
OMA
103725​
103725​
0​
ONT
122666​
122666​
0​
ORD
707521​
707521​
0​
ORF
270917​
82179​
188738​
ORL
157416​
157416​
0​
P31
268903​
0​
268903​
P50
674035​
0​
674035​
P80
273835​
0​
273835​
PAE
150586​
150586​
0​
PAO
173506​
173506​
0​
PBI
599032​
177670​
421362​
PCT
1330987​
0​
1330987​
PDK
187094​
187094​
0​
PDX
215551​
215551​
0​
PHF
60238​
60238​
0​
PHL
751908​
289811​
462097​
PHX
445298​
445298​
0​
PIA
83535​
38605​
44930​
PIE
152090​
152090​
0​
PIT
358277​
122493​
235784​
PNE
102589​
102589​
0​
PNS
119170​
119170​
0​
POC
96714​
96714​
0​
POU
62415​
62415​
0​
PRC
308532​
308532​
0​
PSC
122719​
63937​
58782​
PSP
64484​
64484​
0​
PTK
145565​
145565​
0​
PUB
158567​
158567​
0​
PVD
225543​
65916​
159627​
PWK
97373​
97373​
0​
PWM
150156​
54484​
95672​
R90
218678​
0​
218678​
RDG
89287​
39770​
49517​
RDU
434785​
187829​
246956​
RFD
177480​
47319​
130161​
RHV
161440​
161440​
0​
RIC
99045​
99045​
0​
RNO
108003​
108003​
0​
ROA
158977​
50286​
108691​
ROC
170713​
82955​
87758​
ROW
51498​
21430​
30068​
RST
100614​
55171​
45443​
RSW
368535​
92656​
275879​
RVS
222348​
222348​
0​
S46
592800​
0​
592800​
S56
465098​
0​
465098​
SAN
241021​
241021​
0​
SAT
487290​
160255​
327035​
SAV
301185​
117921​
183264​
SBA
265763​
112748​
153015​
SBN
178570​
43574​
134996​
SCK
55713​
55713​
0​
SCT
2154618​
0​
2154618​
SDF
432452​
188627​
243825​
SDL
176091​
176091​
0​
SEA
400255​
400255​
0​
SEE
170694​
170694​
0​
SFB
187536​
187536​
0​
SFO
359083​
359083​
0​
SGF
193760​
57411​
136349​
SHV
119661​
34626​
85035​
SJC
181211​
181211​
0​
SJU
162353​
162353​
0​
SLC
334078​
334078​
0​
SMF
132243​
132243​
0​
SMO
91029​
91029​
0​
SNA
332628​
332628​
0​
SPI
51762​
28535​
23227​
SRQ
151601​
151601​
0​
STL
164482​
164482​
0​
STP
44315​
44315​
0​
STS
92451​
92451​
0​
STT
54106​
54106​
0​
SUS
148049​
148049​
0​
SUX
34268​
16426​
17842​
SYR
147474​
63112​
84362​
T75
304881​
0​
304881​
TEB
288897​
288897​
0​
TLH
159287​
72958​
86329​
TMB
230342​
230342​
0​
TOA
192864​
192864​
0​
TOL
122503​
39439​
83064​
TPA
758183​
220482​
537701​
TRI
115388​
48582​
66806​
TUL
300721​
97262​
203459​
TUS
140740​
140740​
0​
TVC
86258​
86258​
0​
TWF
52018​
32408​
19610​
TYS
275019​
123326​
151693​
U90
201536​
0​
201536​
VGT
183213​
183213​
0​
VNY
342330​
342330​
0​
VRB
149233​
149233​
0​
Y90
186041​
0​
186041​
YIP
87637​
87637​
0​
YNG
59777​
21150​
38627​
ZAB
1739658​
0​
1739658​
ZAU
2047304​
0​
2047304​
ZBW
1446449​
0​
1446449​
ZDC
2307673​
0​
2307673​
ZDV
1896177​
0​
1896177​
ZFW
2283465​
0​
2283465​
ZHU
2261293​
0​
2261293​
ZID
1974653​
0​
1974653​
ZJX
2497877​
0​
2497877​
ZKC
1778533​
0​
1778533​
ZLA
2371639​
0​
2371639​
ZLC
1471237​
0​
1471237​
ZMA
2395294​
0​
2395294​
ZME
2171809​
0​
2171809​
ZMP
1771078​
0​
1771078​
ZNY
2037099​
0​
2037099​
ZOA
1423619​
0​
1423619​
ZOB
1969064​
0​
1969064​
ZSE
1164213​
0​
1164213​
ZTL
2879721​
0​
2879721​
 
Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. OGG - 5.2hr
2. PSC - 5.1hr
3. MCO - 5.1hr
4. PAE - 5hr
5. SEA - 5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BGR - 5.2hr
2. EUG - 5.2hr
3. ROC - 5.2hr
4. RST - 5.1hr
5. AVP - 5.1hr
TRACON
1. U90 - 5.1hr
2. S46 - 4.8hr
3. NCT - 4.5hr
4. P80 - 4.4hr
5. F11 - 4.4hr
Enroute
1. ZLC - 4.4hr
2. ZUA - 4.3hr
3. ZAB - 4hr
4. ZME - 4hr
5. ZSE - 4hr


LEAST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. ARB - 3.2hr
2. LAF - 3.4hr
3. MFD - 3.5hr
4. FPR - 3.5hr
5. SFB - 3.5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BHM - 3.7hr
2. PHL - 3.8hr
3. CLE - 3.8hr
4. MYR - 3.8hr
5. MGM - 3.9hr
TRACON
1. M98 - 3.3hr
2. D21 - 3.4hr
3. N90 - 3.7hr
4. P31 - 3.7hr
5. SCT - 3.8hr
Enroute
1. ZDC - 3.2hr
2. ZMP - 3.4hr
3. ZNY - 3.4hr
4. ZDV - 3.5hr
5. ZOB - 3.5hr
 
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Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. OGG - 5.2hr
2. PSC - 5.1hr
3. MCO - 5.1hr
4. PAE - 5hr
5. SEA - 5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BGR - 5.2hr
2. EUG - 5.2hr
3. ROC - 5.2hr
4. RST - 5.1hr
5. AVP - 5.1hr
TRACON
1. U90 - 5.1hr
2. S46 - 4.8hr
3. NCT - 4.5hr
4. P80 - 4.4hr
5. F11 - 4.4hr
Enroute
1. ZLC - 4.4hr
2. ZUA - 4.3hr
3. ZAB - 4hr
4. ZME - 4hr
5. ZSE - 4hr


LEAST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. ARB - 3.2hr
2. LAF - 3.4hr
3. MFD - 3.5hr
4. FPR - 3.5hr
5. SFB - 3.5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BHM - 3.7hr
2. PHL - 3.8hr
3. CLE - 3.8hr
4. MYR - 3.8hr
5. MGM - 3.9hr
TRACON
1. M93 - 3.3hr
2. D21 - 3.4hr
3. N90 - 3.7hr
4. P31 - 3.7hr
5. SCT - 3.8hr
Enroute
1. ZDC - 3.2hr
2. ZMP - 3.4hr
3. ZNY - 3.4hr
4. ZDV - 3.5hr
5. ZOB - 3.5hr
Where can one find the "Staffing Snapshot Tableau?"
 
Working on the west coast for 14 years with a 2+20 commute each way was hard and ultimately not worth it. Now I make less much and drive 20 minutes to work.
 
Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. OGG - 5.2hr
2. PSC - 5.1hr
3. MCO - 5.1hr
4. PAE - 5hr
5. SEA - 5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BGR - 5.2hr
2. EUG - 5.2hr
3. ROC - 5.2hr
4. RST - 5.1hr
5. AVP - 5.1hr
TRACON
1. U90 - 5.1hr
2. S46 - 4.8hr
3. NCT - 4.5hr
4. P80 - 4.4hr
5. F11 - 4.4hr
Enroute
1. ZLC - 4.4hr
2. ZUA - 4.3hr
3. ZAB - 4hr
4. ZME - 4hr
5. ZSE - 4hr


LEAST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. ARB - 3.2hr
2. LAF - 3.4hr
3. MFD - 3.5hr
4. FPR - 3.5hr
5. SFB - 3.5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BHM - 3.7hr
2. PHL - 3.8hr
3. CLE - 3.8hr
4. MYR - 3.8hr
5. MGM - 3.9hr
TRACON
1. M93 - 3.3hr
2. D21 - 3.4hr
3. N90 - 3.7hr
4. P31 - 3.7hr
5. SCT - 3.8hr
Enroute
1. ZDC - 3.2hr
2. ZMP - 3.4hr
3. ZNY - 3.4hr
4. ZDV - 3.5hr
5. ZOB - 3.5hr
I'm guess that's M98 as least for tracons.... and can confirm ?
 
Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. OGG - 5.2hr
2. PSC - 5.1hr
3. MCO - 5.1hr
4. PAE - 5hr
5. SEA - 5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BGR - 5.2hr
2. EUG - 5.2hr
3. ROC - 5.2hr
4. RST - 5.1hr
5. AVP - 5.1hr
TRACON
1. U90 - 5.1hr
2. S46 - 4.8hr
3. NCT - 4.5hr
4. P80 - 4.4hr
5. F11 - 4.4hr
Enroute
1. ZLC - 4.4hr
2. ZUA - 4.3hr
3. ZAB - 4hr
4. ZME - 4hr
5. ZSE - 4hr


LEAST T.O.P
Tower Only
1. ARB - 3.2hr
2. LAF - 3.4hr
3. MFD - 3.5hr
4. FPR - 3.5hr
5. SFB - 3.5hr
Tower/Radar
1. BHM - 3.7hr
2. PHL - 3.8hr
3. CLE - 3.8hr
4. MYR - 3.8hr
5. MGM - 3.9hr
TRACON
1. M98 - 3.3hr
2. D21 - 3.4hr
3. N90 - 3.7hr
4. P31 - 3.7hr
5. SCT - 3.8hr
Enroute
1. ZDC - 3.2hr
2. ZMP - 3.4hr
3. ZNY - 3.4hr
4. ZDV - 3.5hr
5. ZOB - 3.5hr
So if you cross reference this with the ops per CPC and then by salary correlated with cost of living do you get the country club list?

So ZOB - 7.4k ops per CPC, with 3.5 hours of TOP and level 12 pay in Ohio = country club?
 
How about they fix the enroute traffic count already. ZDV getting paid the same as ZLC or ZSE is ludicrous when they do more than the level 11 centers
ZDV is fucked up. It’s easy, and then insanely stupid when you get every airplane from the adjacent center in your airspace randomly.

They should really just close down TMU at that place and give that money to the controllers in the areas that actually make it work.
 
So if you cross reference this with the ops per CPC and then by salary correlated with cost of living do you get the country club list?

So ZOB - 7.4k ops per CPC, with 3.5 hours of TOP and level 12 pay in Ohio = country club?

I wouldn't classify Ohio as a country club.
 
A80 takes overflights every single day.
We reroute 95+% of overflights around A80 and I have, on several occasions, had A80 try to get me to reroute the little guys forcing them to fly through weather to keep them clear of their airspace. That being said it does seem to have improved a bit in more recent years.
 
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