DoctorSalami
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That meeting was the beat down of all beat downs. 50 hammered controllers aggressively yelling at him non stop for 3 hours.
Ncept is solid program
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HenryTheAce
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DID YOU EAT A CHICKEN WING!?!?!?
Mike Kilo
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Wish that was live streamed!
ChuckNovember
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Interesting that Santa brought up local hiring as a solution in the hearing. Clearly that solution isn’t “illegal” as so many have claimed.
32andBelow
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It’s not illegal. You just can’t limit it. So if some dude from Florida wants to apply directly to Iowa then you have to let them.
It’s not like the Forrest service says you can go to Guam when you apply to Colorado
Half the facilities will not be able to staff at all in 3-2-1……..
32andBelow
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People already live in every city that has a facility
And many people will want to get out as soon as they realize they can make way more somewhere else. If you then remove the academy pipeline, I think you are only going to slow down the placement process.
32andBelow
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That’s fine they should after a few years if they want and be replaced by new people . No one is removing the academy pipeline. There’s lots of people who absolutely will not do this job cus they don’t want to move or can’t move
Someone will ruin it, they will go to the academy not realizing they signed up to go wherever, meanwhile someone in their bumfuck town applied to the right one and the person at the academy will bring up unfair hiring practices or some shit. You don’t see that miles and miles away? That’s why they can’t do it, among other reasons. Places would be impossible to staff because who wants to go to Moses lake, the black hole that it is apparently. Aspen. You can name 50 others at least
AB19
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Don’t forget midland!
I would like to know more.
People live in Moses Lake? Do enough outreach and there will be applicants.
32andBelow
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There would still be an all 50 placement option. Doesn’t seem like they can staff anyone with the current system
Now you want the FAA to spend money? Hah you’re funny.
RomeoTangoRT
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Frankly I believe the FAA should open up every possible hiring avenue. Add an arbitrary office job like “hiring coordinator” for every facility or local region (think: Miami district has a “hiring coordinator” for MIA, TMB, FLL, FXE. Palm Beach district is responsible for PBI, FPR, VRB. Or have a local body who does it as a collateral and answers to the district hiring rep. Local answers to the district, who answers to your regional hiring director - SE, NE, MW, Mountain, SW, Pacific. So on and so forth). Go to local trade shows, schools/career days, etc and represent your facility. Staffing aught to be advocated for at the local level because the more bodies you put between a local and the people actually responsible for hiring, the more out of touch they get.
FightingIrish2012
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I am all for local hiring, even the smallest “black hole” facilities have at least 100K people or so within the commuting distance.
You can’t tell me that you can’t find 15 or so people for a up down or 10 for a tower who would like to stay in their home town and make close to 100K with a pension.
Only exceptions are just a few places like Nantucket, Aspen and Grand Canyon. But even there, I bet there a 8 rich kids in Nantucket who’s parents are making them work any job so they don’t sit home all day who would like to work at Nantucket tower because it would sound “cool” to their friends and they could twist it and say they are serving their country. I think you can find 7 outdoors men who wouldn’t mind living in the Grand Canyon too.
You can’t tell me that you can’t find 15 or so people for a up down or 10 for a tower who would like to stay in their home town and make close to 100K with a pension.
Only exceptions are just a few places like Nantucket, Aspen and Grand Canyon. But even there, I bet there a 8 rich kids in Nantucket who’s parents are making them work any job so they don’t sit home all day who would like to work at Nantucket tower because it would sound “cool” to their friends and they could twist it and say they are serving their country. I think you can find 7 outdoors men who wouldn’t mind living in the Grand Canyon too.
ChuckNovember
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Local hiring would be great. Telling people where they are going before they leave for the academy would also help. All I want is for prospective controllers to have a say in where they live, not the wheel of fortune bullshit system we have now.
RomeoTangoRT
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Imagine the money saved in sending people to the academy if you assigned facilities prior to starting vs facility assignment at the end of training and having people turn it down. I’m not sure what the attrition rate is for people who go through the academy and ultimately decline but if it’s higher than zero, this would immediately be more effective.
GulfBravoPapa
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What happens when seven EVV (randomly selected) people wash out in a row and then EVV has no trainees? Too bad for them? That's why they went away from pre-assigning facilities. The facility would be expecting a new body then that person would wash and they would get no one... for months
