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Then get a doctor's note explaining that it's normal to be tired after numerous 6 day shift works in a row and recommend a sleep study, in may.
I do know. If you’re fatigued after working your normal 5 days, what can they do to you? You get a doctors note and now it’s an even bigger deal. The agency is assuming liability for you if they press it, and anything that might happen is now a congressional inquiry
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Anything that might happen is loss of medical...congress?
What facilities are being given sick letters for banging on OT shifts? I know my district has straight up told management at my facility not to press the situation. It's more likely someone bangs on an OT than actually works it.
They can’t pull your medical bc you can’t work more than your regular schedule without feeling fatigued.
If they were to deny the sick call and make you come in after you said you’re fatigued, and you work while fatigued because they forced it and you pull an AUS with a side of a kaboom, the agency eats it. You told them you shouldn’t be working, they demanded you work anyways under threat of adverse action and so the predictable results will be on them if it happens.
You think congress wouldn’t have a few things to say about the agency forcing exhausted controllers to work when they are knowingly unfit for duty?
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I’ve seen them use it to show a pattern of abuse while writing you up for a real day of sick leave you take.
Happened a few months ago at A80 to a few guys. Scare tactic really. Didn't change a thing as those guys still bang on every OT.
Then a nice 2% in 2025.
OMB Tells Agencies to Plan for 2% Fed Pay Raise in 2025
The White House’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) is telling agencies to plan for a 2 percent Federal civilian agency pay raise in fiscal year (FY) 2025.
OMB said the 2 percent pay raise is a “provisional estimate,” and agencies should anticipate revising the pay raise amount once the president makes a final decision as part of the White House’s FY2025 budget request.Then a nice 2% in 2025.
OMB Tells Agencies to Plan for 2% Fed Pay Raise in 2025
The White House’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) is telling agencies to plan for a 2 percent Federal civilian agency pay raise in fiscal year (FY) 2025.www.meritalk.com
As stated above, they do track OT "sick" hits, and you can be written up for a pattern of abuse for it. Those of us working in places that can barely operate the shift when our OTs bang out are dealing with it more and more frequently. They expect it to happen now and then, but every or most of the time isn't.
Part of your job is working your assigned shifts. OT is an assigned shift. You can't have a doctor's note saying you're too fatigued to work more than 3 days a week. Your doctor can't say you are never able to work more than 5 days a week, either. Maybe a specific day/time/period of time, but not all. I suppose if pushed enough on either side, it could end up being a forced medical loss, but I doubt you'd find a doctor willing to put their license on it.
I don't like working 6 days a week any more than anyone else, and it entirely the fault of the FAA for us being in this position, but people fucking their coworkers by refusing to do their job should definitely be held accountable.
Part of your job is working your assigned shifts. OT is an assigned shift. You can't have a doctor's note saying you're too fatigued to work more than 3 days a week. Your doctor can't say you are never able to work more than 5 days a week, either. Maybe a specific day/time/period of time, but not all. I suppose if pushed enough on either side, it could end up being a forced medical loss, but I doubt you'd find a doctor willing to put their license on it.
I don't like working 6 days a week any more than anyone else, and it entirely the fault of the FAA for us being in this position, but people fucking their coworkers by refusing to do their job should definitely be held accountable.
Ok Karen.
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I know an area at ZTL that dished out sick leave letters this summer for banging on OTs. What that actually means, I don’t know. I haven’t heard of anything punitive that came of it
Sounds like my supe: 'you can thank your coworkers for the holdover/extra workload/shorter (or infrequent) breaks'. Trying to pit us against one another, and getting off on it while he's at it.
Took me awhile to figure out, but my coworkers can't fuck me. Worse comes to worse, you can curtail services, you can sick out for the holdover, etc. It's good you understand that the agency has put us in this position, but your anger is misplaced at your colleagues.
Exactly, why should someone be expected to give up 9 hours or more on one of their days off just so people can get longer/more breaks. I blame the previous generation for all of this. They came in and worked the OT and didn't cause enough of a fuss. People need to bang every OT and force the issue. Make the FAA hire people instead of constantly covering for them.
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This exactly. Some of my most entertaining days at work are when we are 3 out of 10 CPC on shift.
It also highlights the agency’s real goal of moving airplanes and bowing to airlines and NOT safety. They won’t reduce rates or put in a staffing trigger. Instead telling us we will be on position as long as it takes!
Every recurrent training or safety briefing from management is not well received at all. We know their stance.
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So...what do you do for hours 52-60? If you can't work traffic for fatigue you bang out sick. Of course the pattern is you're tired on your on ot or your Monday. I'm saying if I got a suck letter getting a doctor to say a 50 hour shift week can be fatiguing is easy and ask them to rescind. If they don't come in and ask to do elms or something. I mean how many ots do you have to bang before you get one though? Just go on the no list.
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A no list? What’s that? I haven’t run an OT call out list in three years because nobody is eligible 😂.
