Management wants to kill 4 day AWS.

[Raise when?]

Says the guy who needs more money after 500 hours of OT and somehow isn't maxing the tsp

We all need more money in post covid America, everything costs an arm and a leg. With air traffic #’s at all time highs, we’re a critical part of the economy and need to be compensated as such

 

[AB19]

We all need more money in post covid America, everything costs an arm and a leg. With air traffic #’s at all time highs, we’re a critical part of the economy and need to be compensated as such

Every single time you say this to me, I say, and will continue to say, we deserve more, yet you people are incredibly out of touch with what people who don't have this job deal with

 

[Raise when?]

Every single time you say this to me, I say, and will continue to say, we deserve more, yet you people are incredibly out of touch with what people who don't have this job deal with

It doesn’t matter, it’s not relevant. It’s like making 100k, your employer saying good job, next year you’ll make 95k. Then 90k, 85, etc. it doesn’t make sense. Why would you settle for less because lower paying jobs exist? To me it’s a non sequitur.

This job has been falling behind and so many of you are okay with it because “at least we get paid more than buccee’s managers and middle school teachers!!”

 

[Tater_Toad]

Every single time you say this to me, I say, and will continue to say, we deserve more, yet you people are incredibly out of touch with what people who don't have this job deal with

They deal with the same shit (financially), as us without any retirement savings, insurance of any kind, or any hope for a pension. Your argument is really that I should be happy to have the same lifestyle as a home depot paint mixer, but with a pension and insurance? That's your argument? Without OT that's where we are. OT shouldn't be required to have enough money to live comfortably. Too many of you started your career at a Z or transferred to one more than 6 years ago and are truly out of touch with what the low level employees in this workforce deal with.

We say we're struggling, help us keep OT so we can continue to make some progress. You respond with horse shit. We say we're underpaid. You respond with "others make less, and the other controllers fucking my wife have boats."


Make a valid point or draw 24.

 

[Nothanks]

They deal with the same shit (financially), as us without any retirement savings, insurance of any kind, or any hope for a pension. Your argument is really that I should be happy to have the same lifestyle as a home depot paint mixer, but with a pension and insurance? That's your argument? Without OT that's where we are. OT shouldn't be required to have enough money to live comfortably. Too many of you started your career at a Z or transferred to one more than 6 years ago and are truly out of touch with what the low level employees in this workforce deal with.

We say we're struggling, help us keep OT so we can continue to make some progress. You respond with horse shit. We say we're underpaid. You respond with "others make less, and the other controllers fucking my wife have boats."


Make a valid point or draw 24.

How much does a Home Depot paint mixer make ?

 

[AB19]

How much does a Home Depot paint mixer make ?

Apparently 100k according to these people lmao, guess I should get a second job

It doesn’t matter, it’s not relevant. It’s like making 100k, your employer saying good job, next year you’ll make 95k. Then 90k, 85, etc. it doesn’t make sense. Why would you settle for less because lower paying jobs exist? To me it’s a non sequitur.

This job has been falling behind and so many of you are okay with it because “at least we get paid more than buccee’s managers and middle school teachers!!”

The average salary of this job puts you at a top 10% earner in the country, stop acting like this shit is anything other than great paying, you sound delusional when you say we make close to the average person

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Yeah the amount of houses between Algonquin and Geneva that are easily affordable on level 12 pay is insane. Not to mention the amount of houses if you want to live a bit further

What do you consider affordable? The average estimated home value In Algonquin according to Zillow is $380,000. A 30 year mortgage right now is 7% unless you buy the rate down. Assuming someone puts down ~10%, including taxes and fees, a mortgage is going to be in the $3k range for that. Even at a 12 with a high locality that’s a large % of someone’s monthly take home pay.

Edit: Management took our 4 10s away last year at a level 12 with a pretty well staffed area in comparison to others in our building. I am on pace for 200 OT hours on the yes list this year

 

[Somenewguy]

What do you consider affordable? The average estimated home value In Algonquin according to Zillow is $380,000. A 30 year mortgage right now is 7% unless you buy the rate down. Assuming someone puts down ~10%, including taxes and fees, a mortgage is going to be in the $3k range for that. Even at a 12 with a high locality that’s a large % of someone’s monthly take home pay.

380k will get you a timeshare at a studio apartment on the 20th floor with no elevator in socal, count your blessings.

380k is a reasonable home price for any CPC pay band (Sorry level 4 dudes in rest of US locality). Save 20% and buy a house. Most people can't. Homes are very overpriced right now.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

380k will get you a timeshare at a studio apartment on the 20th floor with no elevator in socal, count your blessings.

380k is a reasonable home price for any CPC pay band (Sorry level 4 dudes in rest of US locality). Save 20% and buy a house. Most people can't. Homes are very overpriced right now.

in comparison to SoCal it absolutely is affordable you’re correct. I make more than 96% of the population at a 12 and $3,000/month for a mortgage of an average home would be about 40% of my base take home pay with night and Sunday diffs and Agency match retirement. That’s not “affordable” for the majority of the population, and it’s an enormous strain on the new hire AGs.

 

[RalphBeast]

What do you consider affordable? The average estimated home value In Algonquin according to Zillow is $380,000. A 30 year mortgage right now is 7% unless you buy the rate down. Assuming someone puts down ~10%, including taxes and fees, a mortgage is going to be in the $3k range for that. Even at a 12 with a high locality that’s a large % of someone’s monthly take home pay.

Edit: Management took our 4 10s away last year at a level 12 with a pretty well staffed area in comparison to others in our building. I am on pace for 200 OT hours on the yes list this year

Dude come on man. The general rule of thumb is purchase price should be no more 3x gross income. A fresh CPC working zero overtime at ZAU makes $173k/yr, a $380k house is well within that guideline. Even if you assume 60% take home pay, that's $8650/month, and $3000k/month is about 1/3 of that. Not at all unreasonable. And to reiterate, that assumes zero overtime (OT and 6-day weeks are not exactly uncommon here) and a wife that doesn't work as well.

Again - I'm not saying that pay shouldn't come up, but using the example of a CPC making a bare minimum of $173k at a lvl12 in Chicago being unable to afford a $380k house is a joke.

 

[Phanatical]

I could fit two cans of beans up my ass

You may be an OF account away from being able to print money. The internet is a wild place.

 

[AB19]

What do you consider affordable? The average estimated home value In Algonquin according to Zillow is $380,000. A 30 year mortgage right now is 7% unless you buy the rate down. Assuming someone puts down ~10%, including taxes and fees, a mortgage is going to be in the $3k range for that. Even at a 12 with a high locality that’s a large % of someone’s monthly take home pay.

Edit: Management took our 4 10s away last year at a level 12 with a pretty well staffed area in comparison to others in our building. I am on pace for 200 OT hours on the yes list this year

I mean I just found about 400 homes between 47 and 59 from crystal lake to aurora for under 300k, the same homes were probably 200k three years ago but greed made them rise up 50% in cost, it's not inflation that did this. Do you want the government to tie our pay to home prices? Do you want the government to restrict home prices? And it's not like 3k a month for someone making level 12 pay is that crazy, I mean, you're making more than me and 3k is about 45% of my take home after I max the TSP Roth. Not to mention if you have a spouse working.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Dude come on man. The general rule of thumb is purchase price should be no more 3x gross income. A fresh CPC working zero overtime at ZAU makes $173k/yr, a $380k house is well within that guideline. Even if you assume 60% take home pay, that's $8650/month, and $3000k/month is about 1/3 of that. Not at all unreasonable. And to reiterate, that assumes zero overtime (OT and 6-day weeks are not exactly uncommon here) and a wife that doesn't work as well.

Again - I'm not saying that pay shouldn't come up, but using the example of a CPC making a bare minimum of $173k at a lvl12 in Chicago being unable to afford a $380k house is a joke.

taking home 60% of your gross pay in this job is unlikely. Your effective federal tax rate is probably close to 25% (I could do the math but don’t feel like it), state tax in Illinois is 6%, FICA takes 6% up to 168,000 this year, FERS is 4.9%, and if you do agency match that’s another 5%. That’s over 40% right there and I haven’t even talked about healthcare, union dues, life insurance, etc. My point is Level 12 ATCs are the top 5% of earners in the US and right now even an average home in a Chicago suburb with our pay is ~33% of our take home per month. That’s insane. Can we make the payment? Certainly. Would I consider myself rich? Far from it

 

[RalphBeast]

taking home 60% of your gross pay in this job is unlikely. Your effective federal tax rate is probably close to 25% (I could do the math but don’t feel like it), state tax in Illinois is 6%, FICA takes 6% up to 168,000 this year, FERS is 4.9%, and if you do agency match that’s another 5%. That’s over 40% right there and I haven’t even talked about healthcare, union dues, life insurance, etc. My point is Level 12 ATCs are the top 5% of earners in the US and right now even an average home in a Chicago suburb with our pay is ~33% of our take home per month. That’s insane. Can we make the payment? Certainly. Would I consider myself rich? Far from it

Assuming $175k/yr and no other deductions besides the standard deduction to keep things simple, married filing jointly, federal effective tax rate comes out to about 13%. IL state effective rate is likely in the 4.5-4.8% range. Don't know where the hell you're getting 25%, since MFJ is in the 24% marginal bracket until almost $400k of taxable income.

 

[Tater_Toad]

Apparently 100k according to these people lmao, guess I should get a second job

After previously stated deductions we're talking about $50k learn to fucking read

 

[32andBelow]

After previously stated deductions we're talking about $50k learn to fucking read

it you act like the money you are contributing to 401k and health insurance isn’t going to stuff you need to pay for

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Assuming $175k/yr and no other deductions besides the standard deduction to keep things simple, married filing jointly, federal effective tax rate comes out to about 13%. IL state effective rate is likely in the 4.5-4.8% range. Don't know where the hell you're getting 25%, since MFJ is in the 24% marginal bracket until almost $400k of taxable income.

I’m single and on pace for about $200,000 this year gross. I came in a little high so my apologies for that but the effective federal rate for me is still right at 20%

 

[AB19]

After previously stated deductions we're talking about $50k learn to fucking read

Yeah so I guess that guy taking home making 50k before deductions is in an equal spot compared to us, also lmao that a home depot person would make that much. They'd be ecstatic to make 50k

I’m single and on pace for about $200,000 this year gross. I came in a little high so my apologies for that but the effective federal rate for me is still right at 20%

I can't wait to make CPC pay

 

[Raise when?]

. Most people can't. Homes are very overpriced right now.

I’m not an economist clearly but things I’ve read all say this is a supply issue that will not get fixed overnight, in fact, housing prices will be like this or worse for the next 20-30 years I would assume,

 

[ChuckNovember]

Assuming $175k/yr and no other deductions besides the standard deduction to keep things simple, married filing jointly, federal effective tax rate comes out to about 13%. IL state effective rate is likely in the 4.5-4.8% range. Don't know where the hell you're getting 25%, since MFJ is in the 24% marginal bracket until almost $400k of taxable income.

It’s more like 16.6%