CPC reinstatements

[BDUB]

I agree to an extent. In my case, I wasn’t able to move within the FAA, so I moved myself to the DOD. My DOD facility complexity bumps my qualification level up to 7,8,9 lists. Also GS12 makes substantially more money than a low level. As a former faa employee I get the frustration of people stuck at facilities watching people jump over them, but if the faa wants people back, which they have indicated that they do, they gotta make it attractive. If someone leaves and doesn’t add an ATC facility to their resume, I agree send them back to their previous level.

This right here! If I left the agency and got more experience I should be rewarded for that experience I took a leap of faith knowing I might never come back. If the FAA wants people so bad there are a lot of people that quit and if you offered them the same city they are currently working in I’d bet they would go back. Also I make a lot more money now in contract than I did at my low lvl sending me a list of low levels and expecting me to take a pay cut from a contract facility is asinine…

 

[SquawkHijack]

But if you were only certified at a 7 or below it makes sense to only be offered that.

How much sense does that make when someone who was hired under a prior exp bid got offered 7’s and below, certified at one and resigned, you think they should still just get offered the same level as when they were a new hire? How about an academy grad with zero experience can get an 8 or 9 with IQTR? Or a CPC can ERR from a 4 to a 12?

You must be smoking that same shit HR has.

 

[Bolo]

How much sense does that make when someone who was hired under a prior exp bid got offered 7’s and below, verified at one and resigned, you think they should still just get offered the same level as when they were a new hire? How about an academy grad with zero experience can get an 8 or 9 with IQTR? Or a CPC can ERR from a 4 to a 12?

You must be smoking that same shit HR has.

It makes sense for hiring. If someone is getting paid more at their DoD gig they left the agency for it makes sense to want to attract them back with a few higher levels or if the DoD gig gave them higher levels based off of their “formula”.

I never said anything about ERRs but, it’s not someone’s fault they got assigned a level 4 off the bat instead of going enroute at the academy and getting a 10 or higher.

As for a new hire to 8-9s not sure what IQTR is but it wasn’t that long ago new hires/OTS/CTI kids were getting to go straight to SCT or other high levels.

 

[SquawkHijack]

It makes sense for hiring. If someone is getting paid more at their DoD gig they left the agency for it makes sense to want to attract them back with a few higher levels or if the DoD gig gave them higher levels based off of their “formula”.

But you previously said that if someone resigned from a 7 it only makes sense [to you] to offer them 7s and below if they want to come back, unless I’m misunderstanding something.

I never said anything about ERRs but, it’s not someone’s fault they got assigned a level 4 off the bat instead of going enroute at the academy and getting a 10 or higher.

I know you didn’t bring up ERRs, I did that to reinforce my point that it makes no sense to kneecap people to whatever facility level they resigned from or below, especially when someone at a level 4 can hypothetically ERR straight to a 12.

As for a new hire to 8-9s not sure what IQTR is but it wasn’t that long ago new hires/OTS/CTI kids were getting to go straight to SCT or other high levels.

Yeah that was another dumb hiring program similar to IQTR. A good majority of those peeps don’t make it in training although some do. But again, another good point as to why we should be staffing from the bottom and let our CPCs move up.

My entire point here is it makes no sense and really is unethical to screw over your current CPCs stuck at low levels and are furthering their experience. I agree DoD rehires should be offered higher levels too depending on their GS level experience, but trying to justify handicapping our current CPCs and putting new-hires with no experience in much more attractive facilities is wild.

 

[Bolo]

But you previously said that if someone resigned from a 7 it only makes sense [to you] to offer them 7s and below if they want to come back, unless I’m misunderstanding something.

If you resigned from a 7 and didn’t work DoD, contract, or overseas and came back with just your level 7 experience a level 7 or lower makes sense. To attract people who left and got experience that their prior experience formula somehow offers them higher levels to leave their current gig makes sense.

I know you didn’t bring up ERRs, I did that to reinforce my point that it makes no sense to kneecap people to whatever facility level they resigned from or below, especially when someone at a level 4 can hypothetically ERR straight to a 12.

ERRs and the hiring/placement have different rules you can’t change that. You can’t be offered a 12 unless you were previously certified at a 12 if you go thru the prior experience bid. But you can jump to a 12 from a 4 through an ERR.

I think we agree that the rules suck. But I understand OTS new hires to 8 or 9s that someone who’s been in and has been hoping for thru NCEPT sucks. On the other side of that 8s/9s haven’t had the luxury of academy grads or prior-mil to help replenish their ranks for years and need help.

 

[AB19]

If you resigned from a 7 and didn’t work DoD, contract, or overseas and came back with just your level 7 experience a level 7 or lower makes sense. To attract people who left and got experience that their prior experience formula somehow offers them higher levels to leave their current gig makes sense.



ERRs and the hiring/placement have different rules you can’t change that. You can’t be offered a 12 unless you were previously certified at a 12 if you go thru the prior experience bid. But you can jump to a 12 from a 4 through an ERR.

I think we agree that the rules suck. But I understand OTS new hires to 8 or 9s that someone who’s been in and has been hoping for thru NCEPT sucks. On the other side of that 8s/9s haven’t had the luxury of academy grads or prior-mil to help replenish their ranks for years and need help.

I completely disagree that's someone who certified at a 7 and quit should only be offered 7 and below when reapplying. They proved they can do it when off the street/military/contract people haven't proved a damn thing

 

[Nothanks]

I completely disagree that's someone who certified at a 7 and quit should only be offered 7 and below when reapplying. They proved they can do it when off the street/military/contract people haven't proved a damn thing

But wouldn’t every single person that doesn’t want to wait to transfer or washed and ended up somewhere just quit and get a gravy list? Why would the agency allow that to happen?

 

[AB19]

But wouldn’t every single person that doesn’t want to wait to transfer or washed and ended up somewhere just quit and get a gravy list? Why would the agency allow that to happen?

Damn maybe they should encourage those people to not quit in the first place by not trapping them in shit holes in the first place. I think people that quit understand the risks. But the FAA is just shooting themselves in the foot by offering better locations to people with no experience while fucking their current workforce

 

[22papa]

But wouldn’t every single person that doesn’t want to wait to transfer or washed and ended up somewhere just quit and get a gravy list? Why would the agency allow that to happen?

This already happens.

 

[Nothanks]

This already happens.

So why is anyone mad about the reinstatement process if you can quit and get a great list ?

 

[BDUB]

So why is anyone mad about the reinstatement process if you can quit and get a great list ?

“Great list” is highly debatable

 

[Nothanks]

“Great list” is highly debatable

22papa said “ this already happens”. I’m just going off what he said.

 

[22papa]

22papa said “ this already happens”. I’m just going off what he said.

Obviously not every person does this, but too many do. It’s the only way back home for many low level up/down people. It just depends if the person prefers to be home or go chase the money at an MOU 12.

 

[Nothanks]

Obviously not every person does this, but too many do. It’s the only way back home for many low level up/down people. It just depends if the person prefers to be home or go chase the money at an MOU 12.

And even 50% of the people that go to the Mou 12s wash out and end up back in the same spot, back here bitching too.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Damn maybe they should encourage those people to not quit in the first place by not trapping them in shit holes in the first place. I think people that quit understand the risks. But the FAA is just shooting themselves in the foot by offering better locations to people with no experience while fucking their current workforce

This is the shit that needs brought up by these wild cards that want to “speak out” about our tribulations. Not bringing up their $450,000 salary in a pompous anecdote.

 

[AB19]

This is the shit that needs brought up by these wild cards that want to “speak out” about our tribulations. Not bringing up their $450,000 salary in a pompous anecdote.

I guess at least everyone thinks flying is dangerous now thanks to that guy

 

[TangoBearFox]

So why is anyone mad about the reinstatement process if you can quit and get a great list ?

My only regret about quitting was I didn't do it sooner. If you can afford to, then it's preferable to being miserable. I know guys that are still stuck at the same facility for 10 years now. Never got a shot to transfer because the number at a low level facility is absurdly high.

 

[SquawkHijack]

So why is anyone mad about the reinstatement process if you can quit and get a great list ?

Because you shouldn’t have to in the first place

My only regret about quitting was I didn't do it sooner. If you can afford to, then it's preferable to being miserable. I know guys that are still stuck at the same facility for 10 years now. Never got a shot to transfer because the number at a low level facility is absurdly high.

Our CRWG number was originally going to go up by 10, but they tacked on an additional 3 people for “CIC coverage.” This whole thing is a scam, wtf do we employ OSs for then?!

 

[Nothanks]

Because you shouldn’t have to in the first place

Someone has to work at these facilities right? I’m pretty sure the agency wants to consolidate a lot of places, that should help.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Someone has to work at these facilities right? I’m pretty sure the agency wants to consolidate a lot of places, that should help.

I agree, but that’s a whole other topic. Im just saying, people shouldn't have to rot at a low level shit hole, decide to quit and waste another year to come back. Most people would be appalled if they knew that was about the only decent way for our career progression. This shit needs talked about but NATCA chooses to ramble about shit that doesn’t really affect us much.