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Stop giving people hints unless they are Pool 1! I want my TOL lol jk.
Actually decided I'm going to retake, feeling good for October 9th date. And if there are issues I'm not going to sweat it since already "Best Qualified" band. Last year went smooth, 7 people and we started a few minutes after the time. The PSI people gave any late people the amount of time for us to check in then locked them out. Hoping the same with the same window seat.
 
ATSA done today, second time taking it. According to HR, I was only qualified last year. ATCPrep definitely helped me with all the sections. I think I may have fat fingered one on the spatial relationships portion and had maybe 4-5 collisions on the live part, s*** got crazy fast towards the end! Other than that, I feel pretty confident I did much better. :D Good luck to everyone taking it!
 
I was told yesterday at my test center that tests will be going for another 2 weeks - till the second week of October.
That’s how I felt the first time I took the ATSA, but I still was best qualified. Incase anyone was wondering, they are the same questions last year so I felt like I was cheating to an extent

Side thought, did anyone remember when the last date available for testing was? I want to say 2nd weekend of October but I can’t remember.
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Man, I don't know if the ATSA was easier this year or if I have taken it so many times that it has become second nature. I even did some math questions during the collision part.

They had me make another account for the reading comprehension part because they said if I didn't then my old score would carry over. I don't know if any of you had the same thing happen to you. Last year, I signed into my old account and got well-qualified, assuming what they said is true then my score carried over from 2017 so that's great....We will see what I get this year since I felt so much more confident.

Watch my luck be that I didn't even qualify ??
 
Man, I don't know if the ATSA was easier this year or if I have taken it so many times that it has become second nature. I even did some math questions during the collision part.

They had me make another account for the reading comprehension part because they said if I didn't then my old score would carry over. I don't know if any of you had the same thing happen to you. Last year, I signed into my old account and got well-qualified, assuming what they said is true then my score carried over from 2017 so that's great....We will see what I get this year since I felt so much more confident.

Watch my luck be that I didn't even qualify ??

Yeah they made me make a new account too. I just thought that the lady didn't understand me when I told her I already had an account but if what you're saying is true, then I guess I have to make a new account every time I test?
 
Yeah they made me make a new account too. I just thought that the lady didn't understand me when I told her I already had an account but if what you're saying is true, then I guess I have to make a new account every time I test?

Yeah, I wish I was told that last year so I could've gotten a new score..Since you got told the same thing then I assume it's not just one PSI test giver saying it and is actual truth. If anything I will probably make a new account next year just in case.
 
Woooo - test is done!

TLDR:
Parts 1-4 were fairly easy (differences/variables/spacial relationship/simulation) I practiced a lot using the ATCprep software on the most difficult settings possible. Parts 5-7 (logical reasoning/reading comprehension/personality q's) were definitely a bit more challenging mostly because of the time limit. I'm not the fastest reader on the planet so while I tried my best to manage my time for each question, somehow it still got away from me verrrry quickly. The personality questions weren't hard...just a lot of them.

Full Test Review:
  1. Differences - this is the first part on the test and very similar to the ATCprep software. I know some people said they felt it was faster/different than the software but I didn't feel that way. I recommend practicing 8 rounds in a row on the ATCprep software because then you can get a feel for how you perform during those last few rounds when your brain is pretty much on autopilot. Each of these rounds seem to test how many accurate differences you can input. I went into it thinking there would be a set number of differences to calculate for each round, but just do as many as accurately and as quickly as possible.
  2. Variables - again, very similar if not identical to what's on the ATCprep software. Practice and get a system down that works for you that doesn't involve talking out loud. You have to be quiet enough so no one else in the tiny room can hear you so don't get in the habit of saying the numbers out loud.
  3. Spacial Relationships - similar to ATCprep but mixes up the eye being present and not present. There's no way to practice this type of randomization on the ATCprep software but I didn't think it was difficult to swap between the two. You CAN practice this section before you take the actual test so at least you can get fairly comfortable with it right before testing.
  4. ATC Simulation - I definitely had a few collisions towards the end and definitely missed math problems. Honestly, the speed of the "planes" didn't seem that much faster to me than what I set in ATCprep (I used custom settings and made everything as fast and difficult as possible and was scoring ~87/88%). I actually feel like the math questions were a lot harder because I wasn't able to do as much quick mental math and figure out the answer based on the last numbers (ie: 12*53 - the answer would have to end in 6). The problem was, you'd have multiple answers ending in 6 that were close together so you would have to do a more thorough estimate of the number before answering....and by that point the next math question was on the screen so I learned quickly to just pick something and move on. The ATCprep was also different in how it divided answers - ie: the real test shows 5/1 vs ATCprep which would show 5÷1. You'd also get division math questions where the answer was a decimal - ie: 61/2 and the answers offered could be 30.5, 32, 31, 31.5. Focus on the collisions but definitely try to get as many math questions answered as you can. After section 4 is a good time to take a break before the PSI moderator helps you set up for sections 5-7. You can take more breaks than just 1 (do what works best for you)...but I only felt the need to grab some water and run to the bathroom and I was ready for the next section.
  5. Logical reasoning - Ha. There are 18 questions and 20 min to answer them. You better be good at allocating your time because it goes by QUICKLY. You can easily spend 2-3min trying to wrap your mind around the mumblejumble within one word problem and what it is you're actually trying to answer....I DON'T RECOMMEND this approach...because there's not enough time to spend 2-3min on a single question. There are charts where you have to interpret information provided (ie an invoice with expenses and purchasing conditions for sales and you have to find the answer for "how many purchases qualified for the sale in June and July"). There are lots of ordering questions where you have to interpret which of the following statements can or cannot be true based on the conditions provided in the problem. Personally, I find this difficult to do in my head and piece of paper would help me at least order out peoples initials to know where they fall in place in a line. I know I got a few correct but others I had to guess.
  6. Personality Questions - 2 sets of questions on each page...52 pages. You get 3 statements for each question in which you have to pick you are "most like" or "least like". Lots of the statements are repeated throughout but in different ways (ie: "I like to be the leader of a team" or "I like to lead" or "I like to be in control"). No right or wrong. I don't know how they use these questions to identify if you're a good fit or not, but that's not my job soooo.
  7. Reading Comprehension - Very straightforward. You get a paragraph and you answer questions regarding it. All I can say again is allocate your time correctly so you don't spend too much time on one question.

Tips (disclaimer - I haven't actually passed the ATSA *yet* ;) and this was my first time taking it so this is just what I feel helped me):
  • The ATSA Compilation post is very helpful to understand what is on the test. If you haven't reviewed this, you're doing something wrong. Also spend some time reviewing the comments in that post. Many of your questions will be answered on there.
  • I found the ATC Prep software very helpful. I felt extremely confident going into this portion of the test because of my practice with this. Only $29.90. I just wish the software also included some timed reading comprehension and logical reasoning questions so I could have practiced gauging my time a bit better but you can find timed practice questions online if you just google it.
  • Many others have said this but if you mess up, get over it and move on. The next question is coming whether you like it or not so if you're still stuck on what happened with the last question, you're going to continue making mistakes.
  • At no point during the test does it tell you if you got something wrong. ATCprep does this so I want to make it clear that you're not going to receive any active feedback during the test.
  • No pen and paper offered and no you're not able to bring your own
  • Don't wear a bulky jacket as you'll have to take it off, but come prepared wearing a tighter fitting pullover in case it's cold in the room.

Good luck to everyone! Fingers crossed!
 
Woooo - test is done!

TLDR:
Parts 1-4 were fairly easy (differences/variables/spacial relationship/simulation) I practiced a lot using the ATCprep software on the most difficult settings possible. Parts 5-7 (logical reasoning/reading comprehension/personality q's) were definitely a bit more challenging mostly because of the time limit. I'm not the fastest reader on the planet so while I tried my best to manage my time for each question, somehow it still got away from me verrrry quickly. The personality questions weren't hard...just a lot of them.

Full Test Review:
  1. Differences - this is the first part on the test and very similar to the ATCprep software. I know some people said they felt it was faster/different than the software but I didn't feel that way. I recommend practicing 8 rounds in a row on the ATCprep software because then you can get a feel for how you perform during those last few rounds when your brain is pretty much on autopilot. Each of these rounds seem to test how many accurate differences you can input. I went into it thinking there would be a set number of differences to calculate for each round, but just do as many as accurately and as quickly as possible.
  2. Variables - again, very similar if not identical to what's on the ATCprep software. Practice and get a system down that works for you that doesn't involve talking out loud. You have to be quiet enough so no one else in the tiny room can hear you so don't get in the habit of saying the numbers out loud.
  3. Spacial Relationships - similar to ATCprep but mixes up the eye being present and not present. There's no way to practice this type of randomization on the ATCprep software but I didn't think it was difficult to swap between the two. You CAN practice this section before you take the actual test so at least you can get fairly comfortable with it right before testing.
  4. ATC Simulation - I definitely had a few collisions towards the end and definitely missed math problems. Honestly, the speed of the "planes" didn't seem that much faster to me than what I set in ATCprep (I used custom settings and made everything as fast and difficult as possible and was scoring ~87/88%). I actually feel like the math questions were a lot harder because I wasn't able to do as much quick mental math and figure out the answer based on the last numbers (ie: 12*53 - the answer would have to end in 6). The problem was, you'd have multiple answers ending in 6 that were close together so you would have to do a more thorough estimate of the number before answering....and by that point the next math question was on the screen so I learned quickly to just pick something and move on. The ATCprep was also different in how it divided answers - ie: the real test shows 5/1 vs ATCprep which would show 5÷1. You'd also get division math questions where the answer was a decimal - ie: 61/2 and the answers offered could be 30.5, 32, 31, 31.5. Focus on the collisions but definitely try to get as many math questions answered as you can. After section 4 is a good time to take a break before the PSI moderator helps you set up for sections 5-7. You can take more breaks than just 1 (do what works best for you)...but I only felt the need to grab some water and run to the bathroom and I was ready for the next section.
  5. Logical reasoning - Ha. There are 18 questions and 20 min to answer them. You better be good at allocating your time because it goes by QUICKLY. You can easily spend 2-3min trying to wrap your mind around the mumblejumble within one word problem and what it is you're actually trying to answer....I DON'T RECOMMEND this approach...because there's not enough time to spend 2-3min on a single question. There are charts where you have to interpret information provided (ie an invoice with expenses and purchasing conditions for sales and you have to find the answer for "how many purchases qualified for the sale in June and July"). There are lots of ordering questions where you have to interpret which of the following statements can or cannot be true based on the conditions provided in the problem. Personally, I find this difficult to do in my head and piece of paper would help me at least order out peoples initials to know where they fall in place in a line. I know I got a few correct but others I had to guess.
  6. Personality Questions - 2 sets of questions on each page...52 pages. You get 3 statements for each question in which you have to pick you are "most like" or "least like". Lots of the statements are repeated throughout but in different ways (ie: "I like to be the leader of a team" or "I like to lead" or "I like to be in control"). No right or wrong. I don't know how they use these questions to identify if you're a good fit or not, but that's not my job soooo.
  7. Reading Comprehension - Very straightforward. You get a paragraph and you answer questions regarding it. All I can say again is allocate your time correctly so you don't spend too much time on one question.
Tips (disclaimer - I haven't actually passed the ATSA *yet* ;) and this was my first time taking it so this is just what I feel helped me):
  • The ATSA Compilation post is very helpful to understand what is on the test. If you haven't reviewed this, you're doing something wrong. Also spend some time reviewing the comments in that post. Many of your questions will be answered on there.
  • I found the ATC Prep software very helpful. I felt extremely confident going into this portion of the test because of my practice with this. Only $29.90. I just wish the software also included some timed reading comprehension and logical reasoning questions so I could have practiced gauging my time a bit better but you can find timed practice questions online if you just google it.
  • Many others have said this but if you mess up, get over it and move on. The next question is coming whether you like it or not so if you're still stuck on what happened with the last question, you're going to continue making mistakes.
  • At no point during the test does it tell you if you got something wrong. ATCprep does this so I want to make it clear that you're not going to receive any active feedback during the test.
  • No pen and paper offered and no you're not able to bring your own
  • Don't wear a bulky jacket as you'll have to take it off, but come prepared wearing a tighter fitting pullover in case it's cold in the room.
Good luck to everyone! Fingers crossed!
This is so accurate if I were to type up a whole review of my test this would be it. Hope we did well enough!
 
This is so accurate if I were to type up a whole review of my test this would be it. Hope we did well enough!
Happy to be of service ???

Do current gov't employees get extra points? If so how do you claim them
+1 for this question. My boyfriend is a veteran but also has disability and will get points for that. Curious if they’re just applied or if they have to be claimed somehow.
 
I took the ATSA last Friday and I just checked the PSI status and it says “absent for the test”. Is anyone else seeing this?
When you took the ATSA, did your proctor tell you if they submitted your test before you left? Or maybe they forgot to fully sign you in before taking the test? My PSI status is showing "Schedule Completed"
 
I took the ATSA last Friday and I just checked the PSI status and it says “absent for the test”. Is anyone else seeing this?
When you took the ATSA, did your proctor tell you if they submitted your test before you left? Or maybe they forgot to fully sign you in before taking the test? My PSI status is showing "Schedule Completed"
My status also says “schedule completed” in PSI and I took the test less than 24hrs ago

AFAIK, as long as you had it on the initial application, you get them. I belive it was +5 points on the ATSA score regardless?
I think veteran is +5 but disabled veteran (>30% disability) is +10. He submitted all the paperwork for it when he applied and is taking his test on Thursday.
 
Woooo - test is done!

TLDR:
Parts 1-4 were fairly easy (differences/variables/spacial relationship/simulation) I practiced a lot using the ATCprep software on the most difficult settings possible. Parts 5-7 (logical reasoning/reading comprehension/personality q's) were definitely a bit more challenging mostly because of the time limit. I'm not the fastest reader on the planet so while I tried my best to manage my time for each question, somehow it still got away from me verrrry quickly. The personality questions weren't hard...just a lot of them.

Full Test Review:
  1. Differences - this is the first part on the test and very similar to the ATCprep software. I know some people said they felt it was faster/different than the software but I didn't feel that way. I recommend practicing 8 rounds in a row on the ATCprep software because then you can get a feel for how you perform during those last few rounds when your brain is pretty much on autopilot. Each of these rounds seem to test how many accurate differences you can input. I went into it thinking there would be a set number of differences to calculate for each round, but just do as many as accurately and as quickly as possible.
  2. Variables - again, very similar if not identical to what's on the ATCprep software. Practice and get a system down that works for you that doesn't involve talking out loud. You have to be quiet enough so no one else in the tiny room can hear you so don't get in the habit of saying the numbers out loud.
  3. Spacial Relationships - similar to ATCprep but mixes up the eye being present and not present. There's no way to practice this type of randomization on the ATCprep software but I didn't think it was difficult to swap between the two. You CAN practice this section before you take the actual test so at least you can get fairly comfortable with it right before testing.
  4. ATC Simulation - I definitely had a few collisions towards the end and definitely missed math problems. Honestly, the speed of the "planes" didn't seem that much faster to me than what I set in ATCprep (I used custom settings and made everything as fast and difficult as possible and was scoring ~87/88%). I actually feel like the math questions were a lot harder because I wasn't able to do as much quick mental math and figure out the answer based on the last numbers (ie: 12*53 - the answer would have to end in 6). The problem was, you'd have multiple answers ending in 6 that were close together so you would have to do a more thorough estimate of the number before answering....and by that point the next math question was on the screen so I learned quickly to just pick something and move on. The ATCprep was also different in how it divided answers - ie: the real test shows 5/1 vs ATCprep which would show 5÷1. You'd also get division math questions where the answer was a decimal - ie: 61/2 and the answers offered could be 30.5, 32, 31, 31.5. Focus on the collisions but definitely try to get as many math questions answered as you can. After section 4 is a good time to take a break before the PSI moderator helps you set up for sections 5-7. You can take more breaks than just 1 (do what works best for you)...but I only felt the need to grab some water and run to the bathroom and I was ready for the next section.
  5. Logical reasoning - Ha. There are 18 questions and 20 min to answer them. You better be good at allocating your time because it goes by QUICKLY. You can easily spend 2-3min trying to wrap your mind around the mumblejumble within one word problem and what it is you're actually trying to answer....I DON'T RECOMMEND this approach...because there's not enough time to spend 2-3min on a single question. There are charts where you have to interpret information provided (ie an invoice with expenses and purchasing conditions for sales and you have to find the answer for "how many purchases qualified for the sale in June and July"). There are lots of ordering questions where you have to interpret which of the following statements can or cannot be true based on the conditions provided in the problem. Personally, I find this difficult to do in my head and piece of paper would help me at least order out peoples initials to know where they fall in place in a line. I know I got a few correct but others I had to guess.
  6. Personality Questions - 2 sets of questions on each page...52 pages. You get 3 statements for each question in which you have to pick you are "most like" or "least like". Lots of the statements are repeated throughout but in different ways (ie: "I like to be the leader of a team" or "I like to lead" or "I like to be in control"). No right or wrong. I don't know how they use these questions to identify if you're a good fit or not, but that's not my job soooo.
  7. Reading Comprehension - Very straightforward. You get a paragraph and you answer questions regarding it. All I can say again is allocate your time correctly so you don't spend too much time on one question.
Tips (disclaimer - I haven't actually passed the ATSA *yet* ;) and this was my first time taking it so this is just what I feel helped me):
  • The ATSA Compilation post is very helpful to understand what is on the test. If you haven't reviewed this, you're doing something wrong. Also spend some time reviewing the comments in that post. Many of your questions will be answered on there.
  • I found the ATC Prep software very helpful. I felt extremely confident going into this portion of the test because of my practice with this. Only $29.90. I just wish the software also included some timed reading comprehension and logical reasoning questions so I could have practiced gauging my time a bit better but you can find timed practice questions online if you just google it.
  • Many others have said this but if you mess up, get over it and move on. The next question is coming whether you like it or not so if you're still stuck on what happened with the last question, you're going to continue making mistakes.
  • At no point during the test does it tell you if you got something wrong. ATCprep does this so I want to make it clear that you're not going to receive any active feedback during the test.
  • No pen and paper offered and no you're not able to bring your own
  • Don't wear a bulky jacket as you'll have to take it off, but come prepared wearing a tighter fitting pullover in case it's cold in the room.
Good luck to everyone! Fingers crossed!
Very thorough description of the test, good stuff!

I would add the tip to generally ignore the math during the collision section, unless you've absolutely cleared the skies. It's a distraction to take your attention away from the key aspect of the test, which is preventing collisions.

The logic section was brutal, I had to legit just spam an answer for the last 2 questions because of how little time there was. I swear last year's was not as bad, they must have had more questions involving charts or picking an obvious "which one is NOT true" answer.
 
Man, I don't know if the ATSA was easier this year or if I have taken it so many times that it has become second nature. I even did some math questions during the collision part.

They had me make another account for the reading comprehension part because they said if I didn't then my old score would carry over. I don't know if any of you had the same thing happen to you. Last year, I signed into my old account and got well-qualified, assuming what they said is true then my score carried over from 2017 so that's great....We will see what I get this year since I felt so much more confident.

Watch my luck be that I didn't even qualify ??
Huh. I did think about this at the time. I filled in my info and had to make a new password I think, and I never got a message saying there's an existing account with my name or anything, so I was guessing they must wipe the system after each testing cycle. None of our proctors said anything about this. I am really undecided on whether I did better or not this year, so maybe it wouldn't matter if this happened for me.
 
Woooo - test is done!

TLDR:
Parts 1-4 were fairly easy (differences/variables/spacial relationship/simulation) I practiced a lot using the ATCprep software on the most difficult settings possible. Parts 5-7 (logical reasoning/reading comprehension/personality q's) were definitely a bit more challenging mostly because of the time limit. I'm not the fastest reader on the planet so while I tried my best to manage my time for each question, somehow it still got away from me verrrry quickly. The personality questions weren't hard...just a lot of them.

Full Test Review:
  1. Differences - this is the first part on the test and very similar to the ATCprep software. I know some people said they felt it was faster/different than the software but I didn't feel that way. I recommend practicing 8 rounds in a row on the ATCprep software because then you can get a feel for how you perform during those last few rounds when your brain is pretty much on autopilot. Each of these rounds seem to test how many accurate differences you can input. I went into it thinking there would be a set number of differences to calculate for each round, but just do as many as accurately and as quickly as possible.
  2. Variables - again, very similar if not identical to what's on the ATCprep software. Practice and get a system down that works for you that doesn't involve talking out loud. You have to be quiet enough so no one else in the tiny room can hear you so don't get in the habit of saying the numbers out loud.
  3. Spacial Relationships - similar to ATCprep but mixes up the eye being present and not present. There's no way to practice this type of randomization on the ATCprep software but I didn't think it was difficult to swap between the two. You CAN practice this section before you take the actual test so at least you can get fairly comfortable with it right before testing.
  4. ATC Simulation - I definitely had a few collisions towards the end and definitely missed math problems. Honestly, the speed of the "planes" didn't seem that much faster to me than what I set in ATCprep (I used custom settings and made everything as fast and difficult as possible and was scoring ~87/88%). I actually feel like the math questions were a lot harder because I wasn't able to do as much quick mental math and figure out the answer based on the last numbers (ie: 12*53 - the answer would have to end in 6). The problem was, you'd have multiple answers ending in 6 that were close together so you would have to do a more thorough estimate of the number before answering....and by that point the next math question was on the screen so I learned quickly to just pick something and move on. The ATCprep was also different in how it divided answers - ie: the real test shows 5/1 vs ATCprep which would show 5÷1. You'd also get division math questions where the answer was a decimal - ie: 61/2 and the answers offered could be 30.5, 32, 31, 31.5. Focus on the collisions but definitely try to get as many math questions answered as you can. After section 4 is a good time to take a break before the PSI moderator helps you set up for sections 5-7. You can take more breaks than just 1 (do what works best for you)...but I only felt the need to grab some water and run to the bathroom and I was ready for the next section.
  5. Logical reasoning - Ha. There are 18 questions and 20 min to answer them. You better be good at allocating your time because it goes by QUICKLY. You can easily spend 2-3min trying to wrap your mind around the mumblejumble within one word problem and what it is you're actually trying to answer....I DON'T RECOMMEND this approach...because there's not enough time to spend 2-3min on a single question. There are charts where you have to interpret information provided (ie an invoice with expenses and purchasing conditions for sales and you have to find the answer for "how many purchases qualified for the sale in June and July"). There are lots of ordering questions where you have to interpret which of the following statements can or cannot be true based on the conditions provided in the problem. Personally, I find this difficult to do in my head and piece of paper would help me at least order out peoples initials to know where they fall in place in a line. I know I got a few correct but others I had to guess.
  6. Personality Questions - 2 sets of questions on each page...52 pages. You get 3 statements for each question in which you have to pick you are "most like" or "least like". Lots of the statements are repeated throughout but in different ways (ie: "I like to be the leader of a team" or "I like to lead" or "I like to be in control"). No right or wrong. I don't know how they use these questions to identify if you're a good fit or not, but that's not my job soooo.
  7. Reading Comprehension - Very straightforward. You get a paragraph and you answer questions regarding it. All I can say again is allocate your time correctly so you don't spend too much time on one question.
Tips (disclaimer - I haven't actually passed the ATSA *yet* ;) and this was my first time taking it so this is just what I feel helped me):
  • The ATSA Compilation post is very helpful to understand what is on the test. If you haven't reviewed this, you're doing something wrong. Also spend some time reviewing the comments in that post. Many of your questions will be answered on there.
  • I found the ATC Prep software very helpful. I felt extremely confident going into this portion of the test because of my practice with this. Only $29.90. I just wish the software also included some timed reading comprehension and logical reasoning questions so I could have practiced gauging my time a bit better but you can find timed practice questions online if you just google it.
  • Many others have said this but if you mess up, get over it and move on. The next question is coming whether you like it or not so if you're still stuck on what happened with the last question, you're going to continue making mistakes.
  • At no point during the test does it tell you if you got something wrong. ATCprep does this so I want to make it clear that you're not going to receive any active feedback during the test.
  • No pen and paper offered and no you're not able to bring your own
  • Don't wear a bulky jacket as you'll have to take it off, but come prepared wearing a tighter fitting pullover in case it's cold in the room.
Good luck to everyone! Fingers crossed!
Nice post

U really guessed on the math problems though? I understand multitasking is something they test you on for collisions, but guessing incorrectly does not seem like the play, but what do I know
 
When you took the ATSA, did your proctor tell you if they submitted your test before you left? Or maybe they forgot to fully sign you in before taking the test? My PSI status is showing "Schedule Completed"
No they didn’t say they submitted the test. They were signing me in just like the other 4 that were taking the test. I’ll have to call them and find out what’s going on.
 
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