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[blah]

So you’re telling me, the best possible candidate of everyone able to release was a level 4 controller with maybe a year actual ATC experience in the agency, Who had family connections. There wasn’t a single person in the entire FAA from a higher level facility with more actual experience without the family connections making it look the way it looks? Interesting.

Yes, I am. She has worked the ORD sim and actually has an idea of what is needed to succeed there.

So you joined a forum today to simp for a girl you worked with before?

Ha, no. I'm happily married, so there is no need to simp on anyone. Plus, I'm sure my husband wouldn't approve...


All I'm trying to point out is what you see on paper may not be what is the same in real life. Yes, a level 4 to level 12 looks horrible on paper. But there are several other factors at play that can justify the choice. Does it suck for others who think facility level = qualifications, yes. But as unprobable as it may seem, she may best the best candidate.

 

[Flawless]

All I'm trying to point out is what you see on paper may not be what is the same in real life. Yes, a level 4 to level 12 looks horrible on paper. But there are several other factors at play that can justify the choice. Does it suck for others who think facility level = qualifications, yes. But as unprobable as it may seem, she may best the best candidate.

All I'm going to say if you really thought this you wouldn't have tried to invalidate what I originally said by asking me my career accomplishments lmao.

 

[blah]

All I'm going to say if you really thought this you wouldn't have tried to invalidate what I originally said by asking me my career accomplishments lmao.

Oh, honey. I just invalidated that by showing you were a one year CPC who has no idea what you are talking about. The fact that, this is your only response to my counterarguments, speaks volumes. Have a good night...but please try again.

 

[Maintainvfr]

It helps to some degree, but anyone trying to say that working as an RPO at a facility makes them a better candidate than someone who worked a similar level in an air traffic capacity is lying to themselves. Not only is it incorrect, but it's incredibly disrespectful to the controller with experience that wanted to move there.

Is there slightly more than there is on paper? Sure. Was there still nepotism or favoritism or whatever? Absolutely.

 

[Maintainvfr]

Oh, honey. I just invalidated that by showing you were a one year CPC who has no idea what you are talking about. The fact that, this is your only response to my counterarguments, speaks volumes. Have a good night...but please try again.

His point was you're contradicting yourself. On one hand you're saying a low-experience cpc that was an RPO is more qualified than controllers with many years at high level facilities... Now you're saying he has no idea what he's talking about because he has one year in the agency. Throwing commas, in the wrong places doesn't make you more, correct...honey.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

It's not me. I've been at a level 11+ facility since 2008. What are your career accomplishments?

Happy Mother’s Day.

 

[blah]

It helps to some degree, but anyone trying to say that working as an RPO at a facility makes them a better candidate than someone who worked a similar level in an air traffic capacity is lying to themselves. Not only is it incorrect, but it's incredibly disrespectful to the controller with experience that wanted to move there.

Is there slightly more than there is on paper? Sure. Was there still nepotism or favoritism or whatever? Absolutely.

I can understand that opinion. Trust me, training at a level 11 with the most incompetent RPOs possible, I would totally agree. But ORD has a very strict and extensive RPO program. For example, when were doing a sim skill check, they would not let the in-training RPOs work, as it could negatively affect our performance.

His point was you're contradicting yourself. On one hand you're saying a low-experience cpc that was an RPO is more qualified than controllers with many years at high level facilities... Now you're saying he has no idea what he's talking about because he has one year in the agency. Throwing commas, in the wrong places doesn't make you more, correct...honey.

Yes, I am. She has many years of experience as an RPO at a level 12 facility, while this person as been CPC for a year at a low level facility. There is a huge difference. I get it, CPCs think they are they are the end all to be all. But having experience in many training environments, (which is more than I can say for our one year CPC), I think I know what I am talking about.

The only point I was trying to make was that what appears unfair on paper may not be the same in real life. That's it. People on this forum have been ragging on this selection since it happened. I'm just trying to present another, and fact based, viewpoint.

I appreciate everyone's opinion on this thread. I really didn't mean to start a huge debate. I hope people can listen to my viewpoint a realize the situation is not always 20/20. Thank you all for everyones opinion. I think at this point, we can agree to disagree. I do appreciate the discussion.

Have a good night.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Has this place turned into SM? Jeebus save us all, because it’s been terrible on this forum lately.

 

[DankVectorz]

For example, when were doing a sim skill check, they would not let the in-training RPOs work, as it could negatively affect our performance.

isn’t that standard everywhere?

 

[Super Salt]

Has this place turned into SM? Jeebus save us all, because it’s been terrible on this forum lately.

I can bring the NCEPT argument into any thread ??

 

[bravoindia]

What is AMAS?

Sorry, AMASS, and it’s an add on for ASDE, which helps enhance surface movement to alert tower controllers if something is “out of place” ex. It sends and audible alarm if there will be a runway incursion. Hope that helps.

isn’t that standard everywhere?

No only at ORD. The toughest most rigid tower (S) in all the world. Also if your from a level 4 tower, there is always a better selection going to a 12 tower.

 

[Bandit117]

I can understand that opinion. Trust me, training at a level 11 with the most incompetent RPOs possible, I would totally agree. But ORD has a very strict and extensive RPO program. For example, when were doing a sim skill check, they would not let the in-training RPOs work, as it could negatively affect our performance.



Yes, I am. She has many years of experience as an RPO at a level 12 facility, while this person as been CPC for a year at a low level facility. There is a huge difference. I get it, CPCs think they are they are the end all to be all. But having experience in many training environments, (which is more than I can say for our one year CPC), I think I know what I am talking about.

The only point I was trying to make was that what appears unfair on paper may not be the same in real life. That's it. People on this forum have been ragging on this selection since it happened. I'm just trying to present another, and fact based, viewpoint.

I appreciate everyone's opinion on this thread. I really didn't mean to start a huge debate. I hope people can listen to my viewpoint a realize the situation is not always 20/20. Thank you all for everyones opinion. I think at this point, we can agree to disagree. I do appreciate the discussion.

Have a good night.

There’s plenty of people with more relevant real life experience who view ORD as a career goal and have worked years to get there but can’t. If we’re going to consider RPO time, let’s consider VATSIM while we’re at it ?. I even get wanting to go to where home is, but there’s MDW and DPA that could be stepping stones, that will teach you to work more traffic and get you working with C90.

Someone with a year in the agency, of low level, level 4 experience should not be going right to a 12 when there’s people with better experience and way more time in who are trying to get there. especially someone with family connections, that is just not a good look and there’s zero chance that such connections didn’t play even a tiny factor.

 

[Shikaka]

Sooo...the key to transferring is to just be an RPO where you wanna go, that'll teach you everything you need to work traffic...well why the fuck have I been doing this ATC shit then...

 

[Peter Gibbons]

This thread has turned into the most excellent slap fest in the history of this forum

 

[CF]

Aren’t there like 10 people (exaggerating) at midway who want to go to o’hare? How is a level 4 tower person more qualified, regardless of rpo or whatever it was?

 

[Bandit117]

Aren’t there like 10 people (exaggerating) at midway who want to go to o’hare? How is a level 4 tower person more qualified, regardless of rpo or whatever it was?

Bc their step dad was management there

 

[Shikaka]

This thread has turned into the most excellent slap fest in the history of this forum

Idk, that one guy and his FacRep going at it was fairly good.

 

[NCEPT]

I can bring the NCEPT argument into any thread ??

I have been summoned
FPL is full of it
Nepotism rocks

 

[Dontbotherme]

Yes, I am. She has worked the ORD sim and actually has an idea of what is needed to succeed there.

I’ve played player career mode, on FIFA. I have an actual idea of what is needed to succeed as the next Ronaldo or Messi especially, as I played soccer, as a child... Do you realize how DUMB presenting an argument of having SIM time is to translating to being an actual controller?

 

[Ad1234]

Nepotism aside, doesn’t anyone think the union rep had something to do with that selection also? I highly doubt they aren’t given the list to sort or at a minimum approve of.