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[JTL2ATC]

I don’t think it needs an update. The principles of privacy should apply to everything, but among other things the courts have basically ignored the 10th amendment (any power Or right not specifically enumerated to the fedgov belongs to the states and to the people). At this point I highly doubt any rights lost would be suddenly restored, even with an amendment

This is why I vote “conservative” or third party. The democrats want to “fundamentally change” the United States of America. I don’t believe the foundations of the constitution are ineffective, nor do they need to be re-evaluated. The US isn’t inherently flawed, people are. The grounds of the US Constitution were to prevent the flaws of people from taking over and destroying the country.
Policy requires a “buy in” from the people to believe in it. Politicians have scammed the people into believing that they should no longer “buy in” to the constitution and that we need the government to protect us from ourselves.

 

[ONE]

This is why I vote “conservative” or third party. The democrats want to “fundamentally change” the United States of America. I don’t believe the foundations of the constitution are ineffective, nor do they need to be re-evaluated. The US isn’t inherently flawed, people are. The grounds of the US Constitution were to prevent the flaws of people from taking over and destroying the country.
Policy requires a “buy in” from the people to believe in it. Politicians have scammed the people into believing that they should no longer “buy in” to the constitution and that we need the government to protect us from ourselves.

Question, what does the Constitution say about illegal immigrants? Or abortion? Or slavery? Or nuclear disarmament? Or data collection/privacy rights?

Yeah the foundations are great but basing modern society off of a document that's over 200 years old isn't going to cut it. Most of the topics up for discussion today aren't even comprehensible to a person from 200+ years ago.

Amendments are great but they take time.

If you believe the foundations of the constitution don't need to be re-evaluated, you'd probably be in the Antebellum period at latest. With amendments, MAYBE 1900s at the latest.

You need politicians to represents your interests (as flawed as many of them are) because the world is evolving faster than we can update the Constitution (das why we vote!!!!!)
The alternative is basically dissolving the US government and starting over lol

 

[CaptainObvious]

Question, what does the Constitution say about illegal immigrants? Or abortion? Or slavery? Or nuclear disarmament? Or data collection/privacy rights?

Yeah the foundations are great but basing modern society off of a document that's over 200 years old isn't going to cut it. Most of the topics up for discussion today aren't even comprehensible to a person from 200+ years ago.

Amendments are great but they take time.

If you believe the foundations of the constitution don't need to be re-evaluated, you'd probably be in the Antebellum period at latest. With amendments, MAYBE 1900s at the latest.

You need politicians to represents your interests (as flawed as many of them are) because the world is evolving faster than we can update the Constitution (das why we vote!!!!!)
The alternative is basically dissolving the US government and starting over lol

Dissolve it! That way we can start over with King Chester Cheeto and Premier Turtle running things

I vote conservative because any measure of change is way too scary for my delicate sensibilities

 

[rhombus]

It demonstrably is *not* a “misconceived notion.”

Joe Biden's Plan to End Gun Violence | Joe Biden for President

Joe Biden's plan to end gun violence will tackle America's gun violence head on, and treat it as the public health epidemic it is.

joebiden.com

Gun confiscations if you don’t pay a $200 tax on said guns or 10+ round magazines are literally part of his platform. No DNC-chosen Democratic presidential candidate has ever ran on such an extreme stance before. The threat is demonstrably real this year, whereas before it was only an assumed threat.

Why are you ignoring the actual stances of Biden?

I’m sorry, where exactly in his plan does it say he wants to CONFISCATE your guns if you don’t pay a $200 tax? That’s pretty alarming, where is that?

 

[Homsar]

I’m sorry, where exactly in his plan does it say he wants to CONFISCATE your guns if you don’t pay a $200 tax? That’s pretty alarming, where is that?

Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.

The national firearms act is a federal regulation that requires a $200 tax to be paid whenever a firearm is registered or transferred under it. If you don’t pay the tax, you can’t possess the gun. Biden’s page links to a PDF by Giffords, which spells it our plainly:

Giffords proposes that Congress require all existing assault weapons to be regulated under the National Firearms Act. This proposal would balance the rights of law-abiding gun owners with the need for increased restrictions on these lethal firearms. Congress must also address the future manufacture of assault weapons, either by prohibiting the manufacture of any further assault weapons (as it did in 1986 with machine guns), or requiring future assault weapons to be registered under the NFA. Additional resources must also be appropriated to ATF so that it can enforce the NFA with respect to these and other NFA weapons, including resources needed to modernize and upgrade its equipment and technologies. While the NFA imposes a $200 tax on the registration of each NFA weapon, that money currently goes to the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s General Fund, not to ATF. That money should be redirected to ATF to fund its responsibilities under the NFA.

Biden’s plan goes further and demands that all“high capacity magazines” be registered as well. A 30 round AR-15 magazines goes for about $10, Biden’s plan would make that $210 and a 9 month wait, for a cheap hunk of plastic. That’s nuts. You’d have to give up all your existing $10 “high capacity” magazines if you don’t pay $200 to register each, too.

 

[ONE]

The national firearms act is a federal regulation that requires a $200 tax to be paid whenever a firearm is registered or transferred under it. If you don’t pay the tax, you can’t possess the gun. The paragraph below on Biden’s page links to a PDF by Giffords, which spells it our plainly:

• Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.

I'm not a big gun guy but I'm curious, why shouldn't these guns be regulated? I don't want some guy that has multiple felonies to own a gun.

Also for the $200 tax- isn't this more of a way to make sure the people who own these guns aren't poor and more likely to use it to commit crime? Seems more like a rich vs poor thing than a Republican/Democrat thing

 

[32andBelow]

I'm not a big gun guy but I'm curious, why shouldn't these guns be regulated? I don't want some guy that has multiple felonies to own a gun.

Also for the $200 tax- isn't this more of a way to make sure the people who own these guns aren't poor and more likely to use it to commit crime? Seems more like a rich vs poor thing than a Republican/Democrat thing

Where does the 2nd amendment say anything about felonies?

 

[ONE]

Where does the 2nd amendment say anything about felonies?

It doesn't say it anywhere, but I sure as hell don't want a guy who served time for killing people owning any gun. If you're sane and not threatening violence (which hopefully, background checks can check but will probably fail to do) you should be able to keep whatever guns you want.

Guns in themselves are fine, the people who are vocal and fight for them are not the people you want owning guns usually.

 

[32andBelow]

Ah. You’re correct. $54/paycheck. I have FEPBLUE, single person. Went to the doctor for an annual physical and bloodwork, no copay. Easily the most affordable healthcare I could ask for.

Our health care is great. But the big gov is paying way more than 100/Mon for us

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Do they not come out with the 2021 health options/premiums until open enrollment? I read some article months ago that said the pandemic was gonna jack rates way up for FEHB.

 

[32andBelow]

Do they not come out with the 2021 health options/premiums until open enrollment? I read some article months ago that said the pandemic was gonna jack rates way up for FEHB.

Should be soon. Doubt it’ll go up much.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Should be soon. Doubt it’ll go up much.

This was the article I saw a few months back. Hopefully there’s not a big increase. Would have been fine if I would have earned the one or two raises I was expecting this year, but now cash is tight.

 

[32andBelow]

I mean 5 bucks would be a big increase. It changed like less than a dollar last time

 

[ClearanceClarence]

I mean 5 bucks would be a big increase. It changed like less than a dollar last time

That’s half my Friday dinner budget ? can’t beat that $9.99 Costco pizza dude

 

[Homsar]

'm not a big gun guy but I'm curious, why shouldn't these guns be regulated? I don't want some guy that has multiple felonies to own a gun

You’re confusing the regulations a bit. Guns bought from a store already require a background check, which would stop felons from buying them. Universal background checks would stop a private sale with no background check (in states that allow that), which might cause a felon to be able to buy a gun.

Neither of those are being talked about here. This is saying that you’d no longer be able to buy an AR-15 at Cabelas, you’d have to go to a specialty dealer and wait 9 months to take possession of your AR-15, as well as pay a $200 tax for the gun and each 10-plus round magazine you own for it. This process has existed since 1934 for ownership of machine guns and unusual weapons, but Biden wants a standard AR-15 or a target rifle with a threaded barrel to be included in it now as well, an unprecedented and radical move.

 

[Shikaka]

I'm not a big gun guy but I'm curious, why shouldn't these guns be regulated? I don't want some guy that has multiple felonies to own a gun.

Also for the $200 tax- isn't this more of a way to make sure the people who own these guns aren't poor and more likely to use it to commit crime? Seems more like a rich vs poor thing than a Republican/Democrat thing

Background checks are thorough, since 1998 over 800,000 people with felonies with sentences over 1 year and misdemeanors with sentences over 2 years have failed to purchase due to the background checks.

But they're felons, they don't abide by the law hence why over 60% of guns used in crimes are procured illegally leaving only 10% purchased legally and .8% being purchased from gun shows (the rest being private transfers, which could have oversight). Of course passing more laws will stop the law breakers from breaking more laws.

Or perhaps it targets the wrong populace and reduces the normal everyday person's ability to protect home and household.

Also gun control is racist as fuck.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

That’s half my Friday dinner budget ? can’t beat that $9.99 Costco pizza dude

Eat enough of it and your health insurance costs are going to skyrocket thanks to high blood pressure and diabeetus.

 

[CF]

Trump stooges telling bold face lies about his health straight to the nation when he’s potentially incapacitated. Someone in that White House needs to grow some balls and tell the public what is going on. How the hell does anyone still support this guy? I’ve never seen such gross incompetence/flagrant disregard from the federal government and that’s saying something because the government mostly sucks.

 

[32andBelow]

Trump stooges telling bold face lies about his health straight to the nation when he’s potentially incapacitated. Someone in that White House needs to grow some balls and tell the public what is going on. How the hell does anyone still support this guy? I’ve never seen such gross incompetence/flagrant disregard from the federal government and that’s saying something because the government mostly sucks.

Where’s pence? Does he have it? Granted he’s in way better shape so he’s prolly fine even if he does.

chris Christie has it. Good luck to him. He’s huge.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I'm not a big gun guy but I'm curious, why shouldn't these guns be regulated? I don't want some guy that has multiple felonies to own a gun.

Also for the $200 tax- isn't this more of a way to make sure the people who own these guns aren't poor and more likely to use it to commit crime? Seems more like a rich vs poor thing than a Republican/Democrat thing

There's already laws on the books to keep felons from owning guns. Big shocker, criminals don't follow laws, or do background checks.

As far as the second point, what, middle and working class people don't have the same inherent right to self defense as a rich person? That's the most bougie ass ivory tower bullshit I've ever heard. How woke of you.