Hiring Bid Air Traffic Control Specialist - Trainee: FAA-ATO-16-ALLSRCE-49075 Bid

[breakaway2000]

Currently being in default of any sizable debt (bankruptcy, short sale, foreclosure, credit card default, student loan default) is almost a guarantee that you won't be given an initial security clearance. It's not an all out denial, it's almost always pending further investigation, which like a tier 2 mmpi or medical, can significantly slow down your process. If you're smart it also gives you time to correct the situation, start the process of getting on solid financial footing, and be prepared when you meet with whoever is assigned to your case to show them what you have done recently and your plan moving forward.

 

[Pisha16]

A guy on stuckmic just reported today his security clearance was denied due to $10l of student debt in default and an issue with a previous employer so it is possible to be denied

Do you have a link? Also, I am no longer in default, I was in default in 2013 and was corrected so hopefully they take that into account.

 

[Pisha16]

Currently being in default of any sizable debt (bankruptcy, short sale, foreclosure, credit card default, student loan default) is almost a guarantee that you won't be given an initial security clearance. It's not an all out denial, it's almost always pending further investigation, which like a tier 2 mmpi or medical, can significantly slow down your process. If you're smart it also gives you time to correct the situation, start the process of getting on solid financial footing, and be prepared when you meet with whoever is assigned to your case to show them what you have done recently and your plan moving forward.

Also, what is tier 2 mmpi? Is it common and do people get past it?

 

[nis350ztt]

Do you have a link? Also, I am no longer in default, I was in default in 2013 and was corrected so hopefully they take that into account.

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Also, what is tier 2 mmpi? Is it common and do people get past it?

I believe it's where you must have a one on one evaluation with a psych. Not common. IIRC some do, there are a couple that have to do one simply because of technical failure while they took/submitted the MMPI.

 

[Pisha16]

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I believe it's where you must have a one on one evaluation with a psych. Not common. IIRC some do, there are a couple that have to do one simply because of technical failure while they took/submitted the MMPI.

Thanks, I wonder if that guy had an interview or if they just denied him flat out.

 

[SIDSTAR]

Thanks, I wonder if that guy had an interview or if they just denied him flat out.

I don't think he was denied. I just think they told him they would have to investigate more. If he was denied he would of gotten an SOR and then he would have the chance to appeal if he wanted. He seemed like he didn't want to wait for the investigation and wanted to pursue something else. I really think though if he waited he would get in. I've heard of far worse getting a clearance no problem.

 

[Pisha16]

I don't think he was denied. I just think they told him they would have to investigate more. If he was denied he would of gotten an SOR and then he would have the chance to appeal if he wanted. He seemed like he didn't want to wait for the investigation and wanted to pursue something else. I really think though if he waited he would get in. I've heard of far worse getting a clearance no problem.

Probably not the career for him if he's that quick to throw in the towel. I'd be hunting for options...

 

[solodude59]

I have done and completed everything this far....I'm waiting on medical to clear....I'm worried a VA disability of ptsd will hinder my process a bit...what y'all think?...it's for sleep related issues..they tacked it up to ptsd...and for some unknown reason my paperwork says occupational and social impairment....which is flat out not true..ive never had any issues of the sort...and I'm sure the psych test would have weeded that out....either way I'm nervous and checking my email regularly

I had a very similar VA rating for 90%. The regional flight surgeon instructed me to have special testing called the CogScreen-AE. It ended up costing me $2600, but the same day the medical POC received my report they sent my clearance letter.

Go to www.cogscreen.com, and you can see a list of FAA approved providers in your area. It was expensive, but WELL worth it. PM me if you have any questions. Good luck!

 

[MJ]

I had a very similar VA rating for 90%. The regional flight surgeon instructed me to have special testing called the CogScreen-AE. It ended up costing me $2600, but the same day the medical POC received my report they sent my clearance letter.

Go to www.cogscreen.com, and you can see a list of FAA approved providers in your area. It was expensive, but WELL worth it. PM me if you have any questions. Good luck!

Would you be able to elaborate a little more on the situation and the cog screen? No personal details. I've never heard of this before and I'd like to add some info on it in the veterans faq section. You can pm if you'd prefer.

 

[Pisha16]

Has anybody applied for clearance that has been fired in the past 5 years? Did it give you trouble?

 

[solodude59]

Would you be able to elaborate a little more on the situation and the cog screen? No personal details. I've never heard of this before and I'd like to add some info on it in the veterans faq section. You can pm if you'd prefer.

No problem at all!

I was medically discharged from the Air Force with a VA rating of 90% disability. The main factors were ADHD, anxiety, depression, PTSD, alcohol use disorder and insomnia. Sounds crazy right? The kicker is that I had almost no documentation of any of these conditions in my medical records. I also never took any medications besides a 3 month trial of Adderall.

The CogScreen tested my cognitive abilities of multitasking, information recall (long and short term memory), visual acuity, problem solving, vocabulary and many others. I would refer anyone to the website for more info.

The neuropsychologist also tested me on many other media to get a "whole person concept", in addition to reviewing my medical records from the military. His professional opinion was that my entire medical discharge was completely unsubstantiated and I shouldn't even have a VA rating of 90%, if any. The chief psychologist of the FAA concurred, and soon after that the regional flight surgeon cleared me.

It was a long and drawn out process but it was well worth the wait.

 

[solodude59]

No problem at all!

I was medically discharged from the Air Force with a VA rating of 90% disability. The main factors were ADHD, anxiety, depression, PTSD, alcohol use disorder and insomnia. Sounds crazy right? The kicker is that I had almost no documentation of any of these conditions in my medical records. I also never took any medications besides a 3 month trial of Adderall.

The CogScreen tested my cognitive abilities of multitasking, information recall (long and short term memory), visual acuity, problem solving, vocabulary and many others. I would refer anyone to the website for more info.

The neuropsychologist also tested me on many other media to get a "whole person concept", in addition to reviewing my medical records from the military. His professional opinion was that my entire medical discharge was completely unsubstantiated and I shouldn't even have a VA rating of 90%, if any. The chief psychologist of the FAA concurred, and soon after that the regional flight surgeon cleared me.

It was a long and drawn out process but it was well worth the wait.

It is also worth noting that the air force claimed that none of my conditions were service related, even though I had been in for over 7 years and it was apparently enough to justify a medical evaluation board.

 

[Rebecca Miller]

as a trainee, are you given any time off or sick/vacation leave?

 

[Stinger]

as a trainee, are you given any time off or sick/vacation leave?

Annual leave accrues at a rate of 4 hours every 2 weeks until you reach 3 years of government time.
Sick leave accrues at 4 hours every 2 weeks forever.

 

[CF]

Has anybody applied for clearance that has been fired in the past 5 years? Did it give you trouble?

I was fired from my last job in March and I just graduated the academy last week. Unless the reason you got fired is something that impacts your ability to hold a security clearance then I wouldn't worry about it, just explain what happened. If it does then you will probably need to explain and show that you are on a better path now.

 

[GroundClutter]

I tried searching but couldn't come up with anything. How does the academy handle the holidays (Thanksgiving and Christmas)? I received my TOL the beginning of March and I am waiting on my CIL. I'm trying to come up with a possible timeline and I am curious as to how they handle it. Do they have classes finishing in time before Christmas and then the next group starts after the first of the year?

 

[rugbydog11]

Its a year round government run agency... If your class is over thanksgiving, you will have that Thursday off. Same with Christmas new years. Basically any of the 10 federal holidays.

 

[GroundClutter]

Its a year round government run agency... If your class is over thanksgiving, you will have that Thursday off. Same with Christmas new years. Basically any of the 10 federal holidays.

Thanks for the confirmation. I figured this may be the case but I wasn't sure.

 

[rugbydog11]

Thanks for the confirmation. I figured this may be the case but I wasn't sure.

and if the holiday falls on a weekend, you will get the monday off.

 

[Mike Kilo]

No problem at all!

I was medically discharged from the Air Force with a VA rating of 90% disability. The main factors were ADHD, anxiety, depression, PTSD, alcohol use disorder and insomnia. Sounds crazy right? The kicker is that I had almost no documentation of any of these conditions in my medical records. I also never took any medications besides a 3 month trial of Adderall.

The CogScreen tested my cognitive abilities of multitasking, information recall (long and short term memory), visual acuity, problem solving, vocabulary and many others. I would refer anyone to the website for more info.

The neuropsychologist also tested me on many other media to get a "whole person concept", in addition to reviewing my medical records from the military. His professional opinion was that my entire medical discharge was completely unsubstantiated and I shouldn't even have a VA rating of 90%, if any. The chief psychologist of the FAA concurred, and soon after that the regional flight surgeon cleared me.

It was a long and drawn out process but it was well worth the wait.

An individual at my first facility had what I believe to be a bad training experience (rough session) and they decided to throw in the towel. An excuse of previously diagnosed dyslexia was thrown around. Fast forward two weeks of standing by for discharge from the agency, the individual decides to try and stay but now has a disorder disclosed. I believe this cognitive test is the one they were required to tale and on their own dime. Ended up failing it and losing the job unfortunately.