CPC reinstatements

[GulfCharlie]

I’m not saying not to do it, in the age of NCEPT you have to do whatever you can to move. Depending on where you go they might not hate you either, as you said you would go down to the bottom of seniority and people are losing passion for the union so the whole hate the former sups thing might be largely over with.

I do see it passing rather quickly, I had a close friend take a sup job out in Colorado just to get closer to his family, top notch controller and an excellent leader.

 

[Dolan]

Another question if you take supervisor position but decide later you don’t want it are you sent back to previous facility or allowed to stay at new facility?

It's up to the ATM. If your relationship is poor enough after you tell them you'd rather be a zero seniority controller via a demotion than work under them they don't have to let you stay - they can send you to the NEST

 

[Move78]

Just curious do you have to be completely out of agency in order to be reinstated at new facility or just out of the 2152 position? If you take a tech ops jobs and decide a year later it’s not for you are you sent back to facility or can you go to a different facility?

Another question if you take supervisor position but decide later you don’t want it are you sent back to previous facility or allowed to stay at new facility?

It’s important to note if you’re on a temp sup bid you have to go back where you came from. So if you want to use a sup bid to get somewhere it has to be a perm bid or a temp bid and wait to be made perm and then quit.

 

[amg_smurf]

So the FAA site states that after 6 months you can apply to any facility directly for consideration. I see in previous posts here that the ATO has a clause that makes this not the case? Not sure I understand which rule applies to who?

 

[TowerDonkey]

So the FAA site states that after 6 months you can apply to any facility directly for consideration. I see in previous posts here that the ATO has a clause that makes this not the case? Not sure I understand which rule applies to who?

You should really go back and read this entire thread for the complete picture but: 6 months after separation you can apply to your previous facility, one year separation for any other facility

 

[amg_smurf]

I'll go back and re-read it again. But the FAA reinstatement page states:

Candidates separated from the FAA for six months or less will only be eligible for consideration at their former facility. If separated for more than six months, they may receive consideration for other facilities.

But somehow the ATO has their own definition.

 

[ajmezz]

I'll go back and re-read it again. But the FAA reinstatement page states:

Candidates separated from the FAA for six months or less will only be eligible for consideration at their former facility. If separated for more than six months, they may receive consideration for other facilities.

But somehow the ATO has their own definition.

As someone just finishing up the process, it’s 1 year for anywhere other than your previous facility.

 

[TowerDonkey]

I'll go back and re-read it again. But the FAA reinstatement page states:

Candidates separated from the FAA for six months or less will only be eligible for consideration at their former facility. If separated for more than six months, they may receive consideration for other facilities.

But somehow the ATO has their own definition.

They do use different rules, here it is from about 6 pages back on this thread

They must be using this one.
I don't understand how they can be using separate requirements...and why they aren't both either one year or six months.

 

[amg_smurf]

Thanks for that. So I have about 6 months left until 1 year. I wonder if it would be smarter to just apply to the experienced ATC bid about to come out instead or just wait. Seems like it is a toss up at this point.

 

[CF]

Thanks for that. So I have about 6 months left until 1 year. I wonder if it would be smarter to just apply to the experienced ATC bid about to come out instead or just wait. Seems like it is a toss up at this point.

If it hasn’t been a year they will offer you your old facility.

What you could do is apply to the exp bid and get the ball rolling on the pre employment stuff and then reach out to the facility you want so you can apply at one year and turn down the exp offer.

 

[amg_smurf]

My old facility is "overstaffed" but everyone is on 6 day work weeks. ?

 

[Morgan_Freeman_But_Not]

Thanks for that. So I have about 6 months left until 1 year. I wonder if it would be smarter to just apply to the experienced ATC bid about to come out instead or just wait. Seems like it is a toss up at this point.

In the end, it's all up to you. But CF said it, you'll have to go through the pre-employment process all over again and it's not a guarantee just because you had the job already. You'll have to go through medical, security, & the MMPI-2. Even then, it's not a guarantee they'll give you anything you would want.

 

[After_Victor]

In the end, it's all up to you. But CF said it, you'll have to go through the pre-employment process all over again and it's not a guarantee just because you had the job already. You'll have to go through medical, security, & the MMPI-2. Even then, it's not a guarantee they'll give you anything you would want.

Having been in the FAA, quit, then reapplied on a prior experience bid (not CPC) and failed the MMPI, resulting in tier 2 that took over 2.5 years to complete; I highly recommend you don’t apply on prior bid, if you’re sure you can get reinstated.

 

[MJ]

The one year requirement implemented by the ATO can also be waived by the ATO, fyi. Not very likely, but if it suites their needs it is a possibility.

Having been in the FAA, quit, then reapplied on a prior experience bid (not CPC) and failed the MMPI, resulting in tier 2 that took over 2.5 years to complete; I highly recommend you don’t apply on prior bid, if you’re sure you can get reinstated.

A reinstatement has to go through the same hiring process as anyone else

 

[After_Victor]

The one year requirement implemented by the ATO can also be waived by the ATO, fyi. Not very likely, but if it suites their needs it is a possibility.


A reinstatement has to go through the same hiring process as anyone else

To include the MMPI? I didn’t realize that. Well then I’d apply to the prior bid if I was him/her.

 

[amg_smurf]

So I guess the question is if you're out under a year still will they only offer you the facility you came from on the bid? Or if you turn them down will it get you blacklisted for the future?

 

[MJ]

So I guess the question is if you're out under a year still will they only offer you the facility you came from on the bid? Or if you turn them down will it get you blacklisted for the future?

no to both*

*I remember one person saying the were only offered only their previous fac from a bid, but I haven't seen it in writing or any other anecdotal evidence. I know it wasn't like that several years ago though.

 

[GBDCZF]

In the end, it's all up to you. But CF said it, you'll have to go through the pre-employment process all over again and it's not a guarantee just because you had the job already. You'll have to go through medical, security, & the MMPI-2. Even then, it's not a guarantee they'll give you anything you would want.

If you’ve been separated from the agency or in another agency job for less than two years you will not have to complete the MMPI again. Per HR specialist I dealt with on the ‘21 experienced bid.

 

[After_Victor]

If you’ve been separated from the agency or in another agency job for less than two years you will not have to complete the MMPI again. Per HR specialist I dealt with on the ‘21 experienced bid.

Yet, they made me. I had taken the MMPI August 2018, and again July 2019

 

[julietoscar]

As someone just finishing up the process, it’s 1 year for anywhere other than your previous facility.

Can you share more about your experience with the process?