CRWG

[CaptainObvious]

In the recent past ZLC and ZDV have been consistently releasing

If you call a couple times over the last couple years consistently for ZDV then sure

 

[CoffeeIV]

You're a MAFer too?

No, he was my supervisor in the Air Force about 15 or 16 years ago.

 

[MJ]

Many facilities had the chance. All failed. Hell, MJ had the chance long ago.

Also my training team weren't bitches at my last facility. They all had greater ambitions and most of them offered to help me in any way be it with filing the paperwork or connections.

now im going to cyberstalk you

 

[jw]

New CRWG Target Numbers are posted in the new Air Traffic Controller Workforce Plan that came out on May 4th… Pages 51-61 for anyone who’s interested.

 

[RH316]

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/20230503-afn-cwp.pdf

 

[jw]

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/20230503-afn-cwp.pdf

Thanks. Would’ve attached it, but my jaw hit the floor when I saw our CRWG recommended target number.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Thanks. Would’ve attached it, but my jaw hit the floor when I saw our CRWG recommended target number.

Up or down?

 

[twn]

Wow. With the new numbers we need to certify 45 people before we can release 1 person. FML

 

[jw]

Up or down?

Up. Currently 16 CPCs and current target is 17. CRWG number has us at 24. We already have +1 hour breaks most days. And if it wasn’t for training, we’d probably have +2 hour breaks as the norm with 16 CPC’s…

 

[Sassyquatch]

Sooo are these new numbers current as of today then? Or are we waiting for some kind of date to have these start?

 

[TangoBearFox]

Some of those numbers are truly wild...also an additional 2300 CPCs? Just how? How? Magic? The infrastructure to train that many controllers isn't there. People going to be sitting for years waiting for a spot to train.

 

[jw]

Sooo are these new numbers current as of today then? Or are we waiting for some kind of date to have these start?

No, this just details them. They’re not in place or set to go into place at any specific time yet.

Some of those numbers are truly wild...also an additional 2300 CPCs? Just how? How? Magic? The infrastructure to train that many controllers isn't there. People going to be sitting for years waiting for a spot to train.

Page 51 talks about an additional +$9 billion in labor cost, that does not include training. No wonder they don’t want to implement the CRWG numbers..

 

[Mr.Tickles]

So the CRWG target is new staffing numbers for the facilities right?

 

[jw]

So the CRWG target is new staffing numbers for the facilities right?

Proposed

 

[Mr.Tickles]

Proposed

Perfect. Only an increase of 37 CPCs.

 

[CoffeeIV]

So was the "staffing standards target" what theyve actually been trying to staff? Our CRWG Target and CPC target we've had for NCEPT are the same but the standards target is several below.

I'm pretty annoyed to see nearly every tower of the same level as mine get 10 to 20% more people in the proposal just as they do now when we run the same amount of traffic. The new number is pathetic and won't change anything.

Glad to see a some places with hour on hour off getting huge staffing bumps though.

 

[fivebyfive]

FRG is an interesting one in the report. Staffing Standard Target of 16 but CRWG target of 13?

TEB- 26 and 22 respectively

 

[Acquired Taste]

Oh no, I'm actually dumb. Was looking at the Staffing standards target as the new CRWG number, not realizing there was an entire other column labeled CRWG target.

 

[jw]

Oh no, I'm actually dumb. Was looking at the Staffing standards target as the new CRWG number, not realizing there was an entire other column labeled CRWG target.

Happens to the best of us

 

[AB19]

Midland going from 22 to 26 when it should have been 18 in the first place 🤣🤣