Just need those politicians to get delayed enough and something might happen
Throughput is right around the same as 2019 yet we still have staffing triggers, retirements, etc. Feel like things are gonna get a lot worse
Just need those politicians to get delayed enough and something might happen
Throughput is right around the same as 2019 yet we still have staffing triggers, retirements, etc. Feel like things are gonna get a lot worse
I'm probably wrong but I feel like NATCA should be pushing for facility upgrades to be based off of traffic count and/or passengers. The FAA gets a lot of it's funding from the Airport & Airway Trust Fund which I believe nearly the entire Air Traffic budget was paid for by it. Many airports have increased traffic count yet decreased operations due to larger aircraft being used. More rules/phraseology has been added to the workload since the level system was implemented and I doubt it's been revisited.
Throughput is right around the same as 2019 yet we still have staffing triggers, retirements, etc. Feel like things are gonna get a lot worse
I think that’s something you push for in a new contract. But they aren’t interested in that.I'm probably wrong but I feel like NATCA should be pushing for facility upgrades to be based off of traffic count and/or passengers. The FAA gets a lot of it's funding from the Airport & Airway Trust Fund which I believe nearly the entire Air Traffic budget was paid for by it. Many airports have increased traffic count yet decreased operations due to larger aircraft being used. More rules/phraseology has been added to the workload since the level system was implemented and I doubt it's been revisited.
Before anyone says VFR towers would get screwed, the AATF is funded by fuel tax as well as passenger fees so they every VFR pilot is contributing as well.
New contract LOLI think that’s something you push for in a new contract. But they aren’t interested in that.
ased operations due to larger aircraft being used. More rules/phraseology has been added to the workload since the level system was implemented and I doubt it's been revisited.
Before anyone says VFR towers would get screwed, the AATF is funded by fuel tax as well as passenger fees so they every VFR pilot is contributing as well.
Increased passenger count and less ops is a trend everywhere, not just limited to specific airports. Which facilities are seeing increasing passenger numbers and are getting downgraded because their traffic count is not keeping up?I'm probably wrong but I feel like NATCA should be pushing for facility upgrades to be based off of traffic count and/or passengers. The FAA gets a lot of it's funding from the Airport & Airway Trust Fund which I believe nearly the entire Air Traffic budget was paid for by it. Many airports have increased traffic count yet decreased operations due to larger aircraft being used. More rules/phraseology has been added to the workload since the level system was implemented and I doubt it's been revisited.
Before anyone says VFR towers would get screwed, the AATF is funded by fuel tax as well as passenger fees so they every VFR pilot is contributing as well.
MSP, DTWIncreased passenger count and less ops is a trend everywhere, not just limited to specific airports. Which facilities are seeing increasing passenger numbers and are getting downgraded because their traffic count is not keeping up?
Honestly need to downgrade a bunch of facilities and stop making up shit as we go.MSP, DTW
This is such an L thing for any controller to sayHonestly need to downgrade a bunch of facilities and stop making up shit as we go.
Between 2010-2019 DTW passenger count increased 13.6%. MSP passenger count increased 20.4%. That’s fine but when you compare it to other major towers in the same timeframe they don’t keep up. DEN increased 32.8%, LAS up 29.6%, EWR up 40%, CLT up 31.1%, PHX up 28.4%, ORD up 26.3%, ATL up 25.6%, DFW up 23.7%, SFO up 45.9%, etc.MSP, DTW
I wish you were right but I think you’re completely wrong. I think NATCA loves having as many tiny facilities as possible even if some average 30K operations a year and they drag their feet with 804 other then N90 which was apparently someone’s pet project.Call me a cynic...
I cannot see anything other than the infrastructure money for facilities and these CRWG numbers as working in tandem. In short, if you understand the math used for the 804 process, the CRWG numbers are nothing less than enhanced justification to consolidate a large number of facilities. And, if you cannot see the NAS moving towards more consolidated TRACONs and more contracted-out Tower-only facilities, that's on you.
I'm very interested in reading how Congress is going "to fix the 804 process" in the upcoming FAA Reauthorization bill. After all, they have tinkered with the 804 process in the past. What's to stop them from doing so again?
Santa clause has gone on record against more 804 consolidations but if the staffing shortage is maintained it may be the only way forward, natca could try to kick and scream but if there’s not enough to people to do the job they will have to start consolidating and contracting out places. Why staff 3 levels 4s with 36 people when you have a center that’s short an whole area.it will be a staffing triage of sorts, what facilities do we need staffed up for core function of the NAS and what is extra. if things don’t changeI wish you were right but I think you’re completely wrong. I think NATCA loves having as many tiny facilities as possible even if some average 30K operations a year and they drag their feet with 804 other then N90 which was apparently someone’s pet project.
This type of thinking is what failing businesses do. They think they can literally just take 20 living humans and drop them in a totally new spot and all 20 will agree to the new terms. I’m not against consolidation per se. I just don’t think the concept of forced transfer to fix staffing would ever actually work.Santa clause has gone on record against more 804 consolidations but if the staffing shortage is maintained it may be the only way forward, natca could try to kick and scream but if there’s not enough to people to do the job they will have to start consolidating and contracting out places. Why staff 3 levels 4s with 36 people when you have a center that’s short an whole area.it will be a staffing triage of sorts, if things don’t change
They need to redo the entire hiring and training system. Like 100% change from scratch. And they need a big local hiring componentIt would take AUS 17 quarters of picking up one on the NCEPT every quarter, everybody certifying and nobody leaving to get to the new staffing target. Something tells me that mid level facilities need another source of controllers.
Best method to certify these days or to move up in NATCA. Either oneSomebody definitely needs to punch rich Santa in his face…maybe that’ll wake him up to connect more with the controllers he represents
The Agency hires controllers and places controllersSomebody definitely needs to punch rich Santa in his face…maybe that’ll wake him up to connect more with the controllers he represents
But their system creates the problems that the membership now has. So if you fix that you can help fix our problemsThe Agency hires controllers and places controllers
CorrectBut their system creates the problems that the membership now has. So if you fix that you can help fix our problems