And yet, they still chose a rip-the-bandaid-off method.
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All those processes have changed over the past year. And the new NRP moved the possible losses back up to 212 so the available transfers didn’t tank on day 1
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Was there any consideration for our brothers and sisters who are stuck in black hole 4-7s, getting their number increased hopelessly out of reach, who have been CPC for 5-10 years with paperwork in watching AGs getting direct placed to desirable/easy-to-leave facilities they would kill to go to? It just seems like there were a lot of sacrificial lambs for this change to occur and I'm curious if their voices were heard and the NRP was adjusted to account for the forsaken?
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The 4-7s account for a massive majority of the movements. The newer NRP is much more liberal in release criteria. Which will almost certainly get blowback from the ~90%+ of the total of cpcs that aren’t requesting transfer.
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More liberal but your number is way higher.
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I was mainly referring to the facilities that went from very well staffed to critically staffed overnight. The controllers there who wanted to leave just had their lives ruined.
32andBelow
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They couldn’t even try out the old staffing numbers before making new staffing numbers. Were our predecessor stupid or something?
Some numbers went down and some up and some sideways. The amount of available movement is almost the same as it was last month.
They didn’t use the old numbers because AFN decided that their accountants knew better than Ops. FAA Reauth made it law
If they’re critically staffed they need more controllers not less. The new (already years old) crwg is the only way for the agency to staff it. A necessity to save those imprisoned in 6 day weeks and doomed to an early grave.
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The problem is many of these facilities are not critically staffed in reality. We're talking places that have used less than 5 overtime shifts so far this year going from 100% staffed to 60% staffed on paper.
I’d assume you’re an RVP? Speaking with such confidence on behalf of so “many”facilities you don’t work at.
It’s possible these multiple facilities with the exact same ot usage you’re referring to are either: receiving a crwg that’s too high or not calling in ot enough or calling it and no one takes it or not scheduling ot enough or negotiated guidelines too low to compensate for an old crwg that was too low etc.
All of these are debatable btw and Im expressing no opinion here on behalf of facilities I know nothing about. But if you want to change your CRWG you need to hop in a Time Machine and run for FacRep 3 years ago.
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You guys are all barking up the wrong tree trying to come after this dude about anything NCEPT/CRWG related. He seems to have insider knowledge or maybe even sits on the panels🧐. Don’t get me wrong, he has some shit takes referring to other topics. Credit where credit is due though. If it involves ncept in any shape or form, this guy does not miss.
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I didn't realize I needed to be an RVP to gather information and opinions on affected facilities. Ask some people at Rochester or the many other places that got absolutely crushed by these changes with no recourse what they think of their new numbers. You're going to find a lot of pissed off controllers who blame NATCA.
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Which Rochester?
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Either one. They're both 45% staffed now.
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No recourse? The facility itself submitted the data
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Yeah no recourse. When facreps filled out that survey there was no way they could have known 3 years later it was going to be used against low level facilities like this. The 4-7s are supposed to be facilities where people learn to control traffic, improve skills and then transfer up if they want to progress. Now everyone who has already been trapped for years because of the failures of academy placement and NCEPT just got 3-5 years added to their sentence. I know it's probably hard for someone that works way up in that ivory tower to understand the struggles of people trapped at low levels, but you were there once too and you made it out. Controllers in the trenches now no longer have that opportunity.
There are 85 facilities lvl 8 and under that are under 80% projected staffing. This is not a win, this is a tragedy.
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Wisskey Tanggo Fokstrot
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Regardless of how liberal the new NRP might be, coupled with the new CRWG numbers my facility is now 5+ years away from releasing anybody. Not to forget the new academy placement rules where we continue to watch OTS new hires go to our dream facilities with no hope of ever leaving our own. Good for them, I guess.
