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[leo59]

Where new ppt

On the SharePoint/emailed out this afternoon.

 

[Jay-Jay Jet Plane]

So what’s the NCEPT group going to do about the wildly inaccurate and artificially inflated average training times caused by COVID since the data is a 7 year rolling average? My facility is a 15-18 month cert time normally but our average says 2.54 years still. Nick Daniels told me to my face some bullshit reason they can’t just start with data in 2022 and beyond because it doesn’t work for places like centers that take 3 years for checkout.

 

[Move78]

So what’s the NCEPT group going to do about the wildly inaccurate and artificially inflated average training times caused by COVID since the data is a 7 year rolling average? My facility is a 15-18 month cert time normally but our average says 2.54 years still. Nick Daniels told me to my face some bullshit reason they can’t just start with data in 2022 and beyond because it doesn’t work for places like centers that take 3 years for checkout.

This is not NCEPT but the NTD is a 10 year data set. They moved to 10 to saturate the Covid data. They’re going to go back to 5 once covid is filtered out.

 

[Goody185]

Does anyone know where to find the new spreadsheets including the new ETT?

 

[IndiaKilo]

They finally send the 8-9s new hires (years too late) to get them healthy enough to release in the future and the 4-7s are mad that the facilities they’re not applying to are finally getting trainees.

Again disingenuous. CPCs are applying to those facilities. ABQ, for example, where AGs get a bonus to go to now, had 6 CPC inbounds on file on the last demand sheet. Guess what? Those CPCs, probably from low level facilities, couldn't release.

 

[Golf delta]

Does anyone know where to find the new spreadsheets including the new ETT?

I emailed asking the same and they said all tools would be posted at 4:30ET but I can’t find it anywhere on the NATCA website. Was hoping someone would say where or post it on here.

 

[RadarRick]

I emailed asking the same and they said all tools would be posted at 4:30ET but I can’t find it anywhere on the NATCA website. Was hoping someone would say where or post it on here.

Well they specifically said dont go to message boards for any answers, ask Jamaal Haltom.

Maybe he can take time away from his incredibly busy job to get this information to the members lmao.

 

[ZB32]

If you’re going to generalize a cohort the 8-9s have had it much worse than 4-7. Getting stuck and skipped with no inbound demand. They finally send the 8-9s new hires (years too late) to get them healthy enough to release in the future and the 4-7s are mad that the facilities they’re not applying to are finally getting trainees.
And there’s a bunch of 10-12s that have been stuck for longer than the 4-7s

7 years at my low level up/down and still waiting for the day I can check to see if I’ve been selected on a NCEPT panel. Tack on a couple more years. People stuck at a 8-12 getting paid handsomely in the mean time. Stop with your bitching already.

 

[TurnSevenDegreesLeft]

7 years at my low level up/down and still waiting for the day I can check to see if I’ve been selected on a NCEPT panel. Tack on a couple more years. People stuck at a 8-12 getting paid handsomely in the mean time. Stop with your bitching already.

This is the story of so many people in the bottom 30% and they don't care about you.

 

[Move78]

7 years at my low level up/down and still waiting for the day I can check to see if I’ve been selected on a NCEPT panel. Tack on a couple more years. People stuck at a 8-12 getting paid handsomely in the mean time.

Have you been red for 7 years or are you just applying to the wrong place? Because those are different things.

Stop with your bitching already.

I’m basically the only one in this thread not bitching.

 

[32andBelow]

Have you been red for 7 years or are you just applying to the wrong place? Because those are different things.

I’m basically the only one in this thread not bitching.

You might actually be Jamaal

 

[S.T.O.P.]

You might actually be Jamaal

Lol "stuck at a lvl 10-12" results in an Article 124 anywhere you want to go along with fantastic pay and retirement benefits from working at a lvl 10+ for 15 or so years. What do lvl 4-7 black hole facilities get after 15 years stuck? Also, why is Jamaal giving these briefs? Where is the NCEPT team?

 

[S.T.O.P.]

Have you been red for 7 years or are you just applying to the wrong place? Because those are different things.

I’m basically the only one in this thread not bitching.

Does this infer that there are "right" and "wrong" places to apply to? Like DEN is "wrong" because of the demand?

 

[Billybob]

On the SharePoint/emailed out this afternoon.

Where did the updated numbers sheet go? I can't find it anymore from the email

 

[ZB32]

Have you been red for 7 years or are you just applying to the wrong place? Because those are different things.

I’m basically the only one in this thread not bitching.

Red!
6 trainees have quit, 1 cpc, 3 cpc’s allowed to go supervisor while staffing numbers to low (2 were in house hires), 1 hardship, 3 retirements (2 med).
Now that numbers are finally strong and we had light at the end of the tunnel, people were excited and morale was at good spot. Now there’s still no guarantee I’ll be able to leave in the next couple years. Who knows if more people will quit because of this.

 

[Bandit117]

We didn’t file because we’re… lazy? It takes 20 minutes. There’s gonna be more than 100 available transfers left on the table next panel cuz a buncha geniuses thought they could see the future.
Not applying for the job you want is utter stupidity.

You’ve never been at a black hole then. When you need 5 people who haven’t even been hired yet to let 1 go, people don’t put in paperwork that going to get put in the trash

 

[Jay-Jay Jet Plane]

Does this infer that there are "right" and "wrong" places to apply to? Like DEN is "wrong" because of the demand?

No it’s just either going home or trying to do best for your family is the wrong facility. /s

 

[FightingIrish2012]

So what’s the NCEPT group going to do about the wildly inaccurate and artificially inflated average training times caused by COVID since the data is a 7 year rolling average? My facility is a 15-18 month cert time normally but our average says 2.54 years still. Nick Daniels told me to my face some bullshit reason they can’t just start with data in 2022 and beyond because it doesn’t work for places like centers that take 3 years for checkout.

Remember 4 years ago when you said that you are not going to leave the union because NCEPT will slowly play out and eventually you’ll be the only guy at your facility who wants to transfer?

 

[leo59]

This is not NCEPT but the NTD is a 10 year data set. They moved to 10 to saturate the Covid data. They’re going to go back to 5 once covid is filtered out.

I doubt that. The model was specifically formulated to account for COVID, and avoid edits in the future. pretty sure the thing people are complaining about here (like the 2.52 years comment about ZFW deleted) just shows that people aren't reviewing the New Hire and CPCIT training formulas and don't realize that the overall time and rates are now weighted for the ratio of NH v. CPCIT that facilities have.

 

[Dolan]

You guys who are stuck need to resign. Life is too short to deal with crap like this. Apply to get rehired later or don't, but you'll likely be offered a list of much better facilities when you get back in.