CRWG

[FlightOfTheShortGuy]

Well can anyone post the priority of facilities for pickups if they get the chance? My facility can release a couple and it will all depend on where each gaining facility is ranked.

 

[Zoots Mahogan]

ETT Tool

 

[Geeare27]

Seriously, apply to Australia if youre stuck at a low level black hole

 

[ManBearPig]

I am curious as to why there are so many "low level blackholes". All the academy grads from the past 5+ years have gone to 7 and below and centers. The 8,9 and 10s were hung out to dry. All the people from low levels were bouncing straight to the 11 and 12s. The majority of releases came out of the 7 and below facilities. I know MAF is a train wreck, who is in this boat?

 

[HammerHead]

I am curious as to why there are so many "low level blackholes". All the academy grads from the past 5+ years have gone to 7 and below and centers. The 8,9 and 10s were hung out to dry. All the people from low levels were bouncing straight to the 11 and 12s. The majority of releases came out of the 7 and below facilities. I know MAF is a train wreck, who is in this boat?

There are over 100 updowns. Those are generally the blackholes. Most the releases come out of tower onlys because they have a quick turnover rate. 4 month checkout makes it pretty easy to get staffing fast.

At the updowns, average training time is 1.5 yearsish. Just enough time for people to get impatient and apply to sup bids, hardship, or quit. Not all the updowns are black holes but a lot of them are, at least 50 out of the 100. And there are definitely a few tower onlys that are tough to get released from too.

 

[FlightOfTheShortGuy]

Anyone read the priority MOU rules? Says you need to be CPC at facility for at least 12 months in order to be eligible for round 1. What about those priority MOU facilities that are selecting before round 1 Such as DCA and AUS and then A80/MIA/ZOA? Do those controllers also have to be CPC for 12 months to be eligible?

 

[bravounite33]

Anyone read the priority MOU rules? Says you need to be CPC at facility for at least 12 months in order to be eligible for round 1. What about those priority MOU facilities that are selecting before round 1 Such as DCA and AUS and then A80/MIA/ZOA? Do those controllers also have to be CPC for 12 months to be eligible?

I would guess that they would not have to do 12 months before going to those as those facilities choose “before” round 1 but that’s just a guess as they seemed to make it pretty clear those 6 facilities are picking before round 1, which definitely has the 12 month rule.

 

[leo59]

The PPT Tableu data on SharePoint is updated. There just is not an excel sheet yet.

The SharePoint literally has a new PPT every Wednesday. It's right there in the folder that says weekly reports. The updated targets were even on the Academy placement SharePoint sites on Monday morning.

 

[leo59]

Why doesn't the 5/14 PPT show all those projection month columns and the possible releases with the highlighting? It doesn't represent anything they talked about yesterday or look like the chart they showed.

Because you're describing the new ETT report.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Because you're describing the new ETT report.

Well somebody post that. Message boards save me

 

[SquawkHijack]

I’m not inferring they doomed themselves. Im saying they dictated what positions they need to be open at what times. If that means you need more controllers than you need more controllers

We absolutely DO NOT need more controllers. I’ve been at our facility (in my earlier days) when we were 100% staffed to target and we were tripping over each other then. Our number went up by 10… Absolutely no reason we need that many people.

Moral of that story, these metrics that were collaboratively used were there to manufacture a more severe staffing crisis and lock everybody down. Tell me I’m wrong.

 

[Pointsixtynine.10]

We absolutely DO NOT need more controllers. I’ve been at our facility (in my earlier days) when we were 100% staffed to target and we were tripping over each other then. Our number went up by 10… Absolutely no reason we need that many people.

Moral of that story, these metrics that were collaboratively used were there to manufacture a more severe traffic crisis and lock everybody down. Tell me I’m wrong.

Agreed 100 percent. This is the facts the faa/natca don’t care what facility you’re at. They care that planes aren’t crashing so open up as much as you can even if it’s completely dead. Additionally there are plenty of people who are completely content at their facility who do just want fat staffing and see this as a huge win.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Have you been red for 7 years or are you just applying to the wrong place? Because those are different things.

I’m basically the only one in this thread not bitching.

Spoken like a true dickhead. Trying to get you and your family home is “applying to the wrong place.” Is this what you NCEPT reps think now?

You’re sitting at ZDV dude… at least you have decent pay. Fuck everyone else stuck at a low level shit hole am I right? I’ll put credit where it’s due, you’re not in this thread bitching, you’re just a bitch and a NATCA shill.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Agreed 100 percent. This is the facts the faa/natca don’t care what facility you’re at. They care that planes aren’t crashing so open up as much as you can even if it’s completely dead. Additionally there are plenty of people who are completely content at their facility who do just want fat staffing and see this as a huge win.

There was clearly a ton of bias in those metrics they used to deduce each facility’s new target numbers. But you’ll never get people like Move78 to acknowledge that because they’re in a NATCA appointed position at a place like ZDV…

 

[HurryUpandWait]

I am curious as to why there are so many "low level blackholes". All the academy grads from the past 5+ years have gone to 7 and below and centers. The 8,9 and 10s were hung out to dry. All the people from low levels were bouncing straight to the 11 and 12s. The majority of releases came out of the 7 and below facilities. I know MAF is a train wreck, who is in this boat?

Because the majority of new hires washout, quit, or hardship.

 

[bravounite33]

Well somebody post that. Message boards save me

It was posted just a few posts above yours

 

[low.approach22]

This change doesn’t seem to be so bad when you look at the new ncept rules in unison… I almost like it. Only problem is they waited so long to start using the new CWRG targets that they had to create new ncept rules (which are mostly good) as a remedy. Some good came from the bad I guess.

My facility would’ve been able to release 2 with the old rules, now it’s 4.

 

[Soul_Controller]

The only thing about the CRWG numbers that's screwy is that people didn't account for the affect NCEPT has on the perception of staffing. NCEPT leaves facilities that can release permanently short staffed, so you raise the target number to make that hit more bearable. There's no grand conspiracy though.

 

[Phillytroll69]

It was posted just a few posts above yours

Oh yeah I meant like its on the message boards sarcastically forgot the /s
Edit thanks for the gold