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Super Salt

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Don’t lie and claim false references. Learn from my mistakes.

The investigators will eventually reach out to those you referenced. Also, use accurate addresses.
 

Mr. Miner

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Anyone else find it extremely awkward when their boss got their paperwork? My boss sent an email to the director of operations, and is now ignoring me. He also shoved the papers in the desk, and I don’t think he’s going to fill them out. He’s very upset. Sucks being mid level management.
... did you let your boss know what you were applying for, and that they would contact them?

or did they find out when they got the letter in the mail?
 

ogthebear

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... did you let your boss know what you were applying for, and that they would contact them?

or did they find out when they got the letter in the mail?
I haven’t told my current employer yet but my previous employer received the DOD form two weeks ago.
 

koljim

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Just realized that I put no for section 25 on eqip that asks if I ever had a background investigation. I work for an airline so we have to get background check from DHS or CBP for a seal on the badge. It’s completely unintentional that I omitted it since I forgot I got fingerprinted too.. Should I contact security poc to make the changes? Don’t know if that affects anything
FWIW investigation is still pending since December
 
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simoviator

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Just realized that I put no for section 25 on eqip that asks if I ever had a background investigation. I work for an airline so we have to get background check from DHS or CBP for a seal on the badge. It’s completely unintentional that I omitted it since I forgot I got fingerprinted too.. Should I contact security poc to make the changes? Don’t know if that affects anything
FWIW investigation is still pending since December
I think that the question was asking more specifically about security investigations. A background check (even if done by the feds) isn’t quite the same.
If you haven’t ever submitted an SF-85/85P or SF-86, I personally wouldn’t worry about it. But that’s just my two cents. Never hurts to ask though.
And just FYI, I submitted my e-QIP in early December and I’m still waiting too. When I reached out to my security POC to see if they needed anything I was told no and that everything is still “pending”.
 

Preformer_93

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Just realized that I put no for section 25 on eqip that asks if I ever had a background investigation. I work for an airline so we have to get background check from DHS or CBP for a seal on the badge.
I work airport ops so I'm in the same exact situation w/ the customs seal. I answered no to that question also.
 

camjr

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They might reach out to all 3, but they might also not contact any of them

It could also be months before they contact any of them
Super vague timelines lol I guess I could have expected that

Anyone else find it extremely awkward when their boss got their paperwork? My boss sent an email to the director of operations, and is now ignoring me. He also shoved the papers in the desk, and I don’t think he’s going to fill them out. He’s very upset. Sucks being mid level management.
Yeah I was worried about that awkward moment but didn't want to tell anyone just because of how long the process is. I just started my current job in December. I work for the city but I'm on contract through a consultant firm. So the consultant firm got the forms and questioned me about it, but the people I work with at the city still don't know. phew! My boss from previous job was snooping on my Linkedin recently so I'm guessing they got the form
 

Oh_Horizon

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Don’t lie and claim false references. Learn from my mistakes.

The investigators will eventually reach out to those you referenced. Also, use accurate addresses.
I'm not trying to pick on you, but are you saying you put a reference down that was a total farce, or simply didnt satisfy the stipulations for the SF-86?

Because if it's the former, good lord why would you do that lol
 

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I'm not trying to pick on you, but are you saying you put a reference down that was a total farce, or simply didnt satisfy the stipulations for the SF-86?

Because if it's the former, good lord why would you do that lol
The form had pre-filled people that was thought to be references of mine, given addresses I had lived at previously.

So being the young, naive idiot I was, I left the form as it was and moved on to the next page. The investigator asked who those folks listed were during my in-person interrogation and I didn’t have an answer for who they were. Very awkward silence and uneasy feelings ensued.
 

Oh_Horizon

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The form had pre-filled people that was thought to be references of mine, given addresses I had lived at previously.

So being the young, naive idiot I was, I left the form as it was and moved on to the next page. The investigator asked who those folks listed were during my in-person interrogation and I didn’t have an answer for who they were. Very awkward silence and uneasy feelings ensued.
Well, having made some poor decisions when I was young and naive as well, I can only laugh (hopefully with you) at that turn of events.
 

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Super vague timelines lol I guess I could have expected that


Yeah I was worried about that awkward moment but didn't want to tell anyone just because of how long the process is. I just started my current job in December. I work for the city but I'm on contract through a consultant firm. So the consultant firm got the forms and questioned me about it, but the people I work with at the city still don't know. phew! My boss from previous job was snooping on my Linkedin recently so I'm guessing they got the form
Well we finally talked about it, he said legally managers are not supposed to give references or anything personal like that. All he can do is verify if I work there. So in the event he doesn’t send back the forms, anyone know what happens?
 

cncer

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So I am doin my pre-employment interview worksheet and I would like another opinion on this. While in College at age 20 ( I'm almost 32 not I took the ATSAT on my 32 birthday and got BQ) I went to a sleep doctor and took sleeping medicine (ambien and lunesta) for 2 years for a treatment of delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. While there I had a sleep study done and during the napping test it says I fell asleep 3 times during the "nap" portion of the test and narcolepsy was the result of this. During the next appointment we discussed narcolepsy, but after discussion with doctor it was back to the delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. I think most of my issues were due to not have a good environment to sleep ex. loud AC running all the time, people making noise. I know I need to put both of these down as they will come up anyway (the coverup is worse than the crime). In addition to this I saw another specialist and he said i did not have narcolepsy. Now granted this was 9 years ago and I no longer have issues sleeping (and have not taken any for medication for 9 years), I'm pretty sure that there is a good chance this will tier 2 me, but I'm wondering what will happen after that. I can see 3 different outcomes:
  1. I am 100%completely screwed.
  2. They will note that I haven't taken any medicine for this for 9 years, got a second opinion to discredit the first one, have had a successful career as a Mechanical Engineer and life will go on without the tier 2.
  3. I will be tier 2 but will be able to take another sleep test to discredit the first one( Which I know I can pass fine ).
I was just curious on what seems like the most likely outcome.
 

ninerfour

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So I am doin my pre-employment interview worksheet and I would like another opinion on this. While in College at age 20 ( I'm almost 32 not I took the ATSAT on my 32 birthday and got BQ) I went to a sleep doctor and took sleeping medicine (ambien and lunesta) for 2 years for a treatment of delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. While there I had a sleep study done and during the napping test it says I fell asleep 3 times during the "nap" portion of the test and narcolepsy was the result of this. During the next appointment we discussed narcolepsy, but after discussion with doctor it was back to the delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. I think most of my issues were due to not have a good environment to sleep ex. loud AC running all the time, people making noise. I know I need to put both of these down as they will come up anyway (the coverup is worse than the crime). In addition to this I saw another specialist and he said i did not have narcolepsy. Now granted this was 9 years ago and I no longer have issues sleeping (and have not taken any for medication for 9 years), I'm pretty sure that there is a good chance this will tier 2 me, but I'm wondering what will happen after that. I can see 3 different outcomes:
  1. I am 100%completely screwed.
  2. They will note that I haven't taken any medicine for this for 9 years, got a second opinion to discredit the first one, have had a successful career as a Mechanical Engineer and life will go on without the tier 2.
  3. I will be tier 2 but will be able to take another sleep test to discredit the first one( Which I know I can pass fine ).
I was just curious on what seems like the most likely outcome.
Tier 2 is for the mmpi
 

FAABurger

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So I am doin my pre-employment interview worksheet and I would like another opinion on this. While in College at age 20 ( I'm almost 32 not I took the ATSAT on my 32 birthday and got BQ) I went to a sleep doctor and took sleeping medicine (ambien and lunesta) for 2 years for a treatment of delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. While there I had a sleep study done and during the napping test it says I fell asleep 3 times during the "nap" portion of the test and narcolepsy was the result of this. During the next appointment we discussed narcolepsy, but after discussion with doctor it was back to the delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. I think most of my issues were due to not have a good environment to sleep ex. loud AC running all the time, people making noise. I know I need to put both of these down as they will come up anyway (the coverup is worse than the crime). In addition to this I saw another specialist and he said i did not have narcolepsy. Now granted this was 9 years ago and I no longer have issues sleeping (and have not taken any for medication for 9 years), I'm pretty sure that there is a good chance this will tier 2 me, but I'm wondering what will happen after that. I can see 3 different outcomes:
  1. I am 100%completely screwed.
  2. They will note that I haven't taken any medicine for this for 9 years, got a second opinion to discredit the first one, have had a successful career as a Mechanical Engineer and life will go on without the tier 2.
  3. I will be tier 2 but will be able to take another sleep test to discredit the first one( Which I know I can pass fine ).
I was just curious on what seems like the most likely outcome.
Tier 2 is for the MMPI. Your flight surgeon will either clear you or they won’t. They will probably ask some questions but if you can prove it’s not an issue nowadays I don’t think it would be an issue, but I don’t know.
 

camjr

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Well we finally talked about it, he said legally managers are not supposed to give references or anything personal like that. All he can do is verify if I work there. So in the event he doesn’t send back the forms, anyone know what happens?

Manager can't give references? Wtf kinda law is that? All the form asks is if you work there and if they trust you. Not difficult at all. Sounds like some bs the company makes up to keep its employees from following their dreams.
 

ninerfour

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Manager can't give references? Wtf kinda law is that? All the form asks is if you work there and if they trust you. Not difficult at all. Sounds like some bs the company makes up to keep its employees from following their dreams.
My company is also not allowed to give out information about employees either, but my boss did anyway for me. Companies have different policies regarding this kind of thing.
 

mirmurmir

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My company is also not allowed to give out information about employees either, but my boss did anyway for me. Companies have different policies regarding this kind of thing.
Depends on the state too. Don't quote me, but im pretty sure in CA managers can only give a good reference or no reference, and it's illegal to talk bad about the employee. Probably to prevent unfair ill-will when someone leaves...
 

ninerfour

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Depends on the state too. Don't quote me, but im pretty sure in CA managers can only give a good reference or no reference, and it's illegal to talk bad about the employee. Probably to prevent unfair ill-will when someone leaves...
Exactly. Between state laws and company policies, some companies may not be “allowed” to fill them out
 

KAB

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So I am doin my pre-employment interview worksheet and I would like another opinion on this. While in College at age 20 ( I'm almost 32 not I took the ATSAT on my 32 birthday and got BQ) I went to a sleep doctor and took sleeping medicine (ambien and lunesta) for 2 years for a treatment of delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. While there I had a sleep study done and during the napping test it says I fell asleep 3 times during the "nap" portion of the test and narcolepsy was the result of this. During the next appointment we discussed narcolepsy, but after discussion with doctor it was back to the delayed sleep phase syndrome/insomnia. I think most of my issues were due to not have a good environment to sleep ex. loud AC running all the time, people making noise. I know I need to put both of these down as they will come up anyway (the coverup is worse than the crime). In addition to this I saw another specialist and he said i did not have narcolepsy. Now granted this was 9 years ago and I no longer have issues sleeping (and have not taken any for medication for 9 years), I'm pretty sure that there is a good chance this will tier 2 me, but I'm wondering what will happen after that. I can see 3 different outcomes:
  1. I am 100%completely screwed.
  2. They will note that I haven't taken any medicine for this for 9 years, got a second opinion to discredit the first one, have had a successful career as a Mechanical Engineer and life will go on without the tier 2.
  3. I will be tier 2 but will be able to take another sleep test to discredit the first one( Which I know I can pass fine ).
I was just curious on what seems like the most likely outcome.
What I think will happen is they will ask you to do another sleep study to prove that it's no longer a problem. You'll have to pay for this out of pocket and they will probably give you 30 days to do it and send the results back to them.
 
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