Y’all need to learn to have some patience. The best thing you can do is just forget you ever applied. I’m coming up on 2-years since I applied and I’m still waiting for a class date. Hopefully none of you get Tier II otherwise you’ll be in for even more disappointment… ?
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#1062 radarcontactlost said:
Y’all need to learn to have some patience. The best thing you can do is just forget you ever applied. I’m coming up on 2-years since I applied and I’m still waiting for a class date. Hopefully none of you get Tier II otherwise you’ll be in for even more disappointment… ?
Tell em! Lol coming up on 2 years and did go tier 2. Waiting on pysch exam appt currently.
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#1063 radarcontactlost said:
Y’all need to learn to have some patience. The best thing you can do is just forget you ever applied. I’m coming up on 2-years since I applied and I’m still waiting for a class date. Hopefully none of you get Tier II otherwise you’ll be in for even more disappointment… ?
WaywardSon said:
Tell em! Lol coming up on 2 years and did go tier 2. Waiting on pysch exam appt currently.
Can you tell us what you think caused a tier II?
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#1064 Ahung1 said:
Can you tell us what you think caused a tier II?
He didn't pass the MMPI.
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#1065 Oh_Horizon said:
He didn't pass the MMPI.
Makes me wonder if they go through medical records, maybe it’s different for veterans.
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#1066 Ahung1 said:
Makes me wonder if they go through medical records, maybe it’s different for veterans.
They will look a med records as well but mine was the MMPI. Not really sure why I didn't pass but we will find out. I'm confident I'll clear but it does add quite a bit of time.
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#1067 WaywardSon said:
They will look a med records as well but mine was the MMPI. Not really sure why I didn't pass but we will find out. I'm confident I'll clear but it does add quite a bit of time.
I wasn’t aware that tier II could take that long… is there any confirmation they give you that the FAA hasn’t forgotten about you?
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#1068 Ahung1 said:
I wasn’t aware that tier II could take that long… is there any confirmation they give you that the FAA hasn’t forgotten about you?
Ive been in the Tier 2 system for 2+ years and counting
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#1069 icecreambaby said:
Ive been in the Tier 2 system for 2+ years and counting
This might be a stupid question, and maybe it's been asked before, but why does the FAA use the MMPI test when using it for non-clinical populations is controversial since it's not intended to be used that way?
There's gotta be a better way to evaluate psychological stability for workers in high-risk professions. Or at least, since the FAA needs controllers so badly, they shouldn't take their sweet ass time with those who get Tier 2ed.
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#1070 Golf Sierra Bravo said:
This might be a stupid question, and maybe it's been asked before, but why does the FAA use the MMPI test when using it for non-clinical populations is controversial since it's not intended to be used that way?
There's gotta be a better way to evaluate psychological stability for workers in high-risk professions. Or at least, since the FAA needs controllers so badly, they shouldn't take their sweet ass time with those who get Tier 2ed.
Beats me, especially since I've been doing this job for about 8 years now outside the FAA. I don't disagree that a job with this level of importance needs a screening process, but the current one is just so damn inefficient. I think a good solution might be to make everyone get a one on one psych eval with an FAA approved psychologist along with their MMPI-2 test. And if they fail THAT exam, then and only then, subject them to the rigorous Tier 2 process.
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#1071 icecreambaby said:
Beats me, especially since I've been doing this job for about 8 years now outside the FAA. I don't disagree that a job with this level of importance needs a screening process, but the current one is just so damn inefficient. I think a good solution might be to make everyone get a one on one psych eval with an FAA approved psychologist along with their MMPI-2 test. And if they fail THAT exam, then and only then, subject them to the rigorous Tier 2 process.
Sounds like a good idea. Do you know why exactly they take so long? Is it because there are few FAA psychologists, and they're super backed up? Or is it that the whole system is just so inefficient and FUBAR?
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#1072 Golf Sierra Bravo said:
Sounds like a good idea. Do you know why exactly they take so long? Is it because there are few FAA psychologists, and they're super backed up? Or is it that the whole system is just so inefficient and FUBAR?
yes
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#1073 icecreambaby said:
Beats me, especially since I've been doing this job for about 8 years now outside the FAA. I don't disagree that a job with this level of importance needs a screening process, but the current one is just so damn inefficient. I think a good solution might be to make everyone get a one on one psych eval with an FAA approved psychologist along with their MMPI-2 test. And if they fail THAT exam, then and only then, subject them to the rigorous Tier 2 process.
That would be so ridiculously expensive when traditionally less than 10% of people fail the MMPi
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#1074 icecreambaby said:
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That sucks. Hope that shit gets sorted out for you this year.
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#1075 GulfBravoPapa said:
That would be so ridiculously expensive when traditionally less than 10% of people fail the MMPi
Read the hat, pal
Golf Sierra Bravo said:
That sucks. Hope that shit gets sorted out for you this year.
Thanks, I've already had my appointment so I'm closer to the end. It truly is a shitty process and if anyone reading this happens to get Tier 2'd off this bid I recommend reading deep into Tier 2 specific thread. Great info there, it helped me a bunch
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#1076 With my luck, if I make it through the process. I’d get tier 2’d and get to the academy by the time I’m 33 lol
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#1077 YuriNate said:
With my luck, if I make it through the process. I’d get tier 2’d and get to the academy by the time I’m 33 lol
You wouldn't be the first or last person that legitimately happens to
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#1078 Ahung1 said:
I wasn’t aware that tier II could take that long… is there any confirmation they give you that the FAA hasn’t forgotten about you?
They know about us. Just got an email about a week ago. Just inefficient.
GulfBravoPapa said:
That would be so ridiculously expensive when traditionally less than 10% of people fail the MMPi
I don't think the MMPI is very efficient, however, I understand costs but they need to make the Tier 2 process more efficient. Less than 10% and it takes them this long is just crazy. It's almost just like they hope we will give up.
YuriNate said:
With my luck, if I make it through the process. I’d get tier 2’d and get to the academy by the time I’m 33 lol
I'm not far behind you.
icecreambaby said:
Thanks, I've already had my appointment so I'm closer to the end. It truly is a shitty process and if anyone reading this happens to get Tier 2'd off this bid I recommend reading deep into Tier 2 specific thread. Great info there, it helped me a bunch
Hopefully I'm not far behind. When did you get notified and when did you have your appt?
Golf Sierra Bravo said:
Sounds like a good idea. Do you know why exactly they take so long? Is it because there are few FAA psychologists, and they're super backed up? Or is it that the whole system is just so inefficient and FUBAR?
I think it's the latter.
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#1079 Keep the chip up y'all. Slow and steady wins the race!
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#1080 yegorspencer said:
Keep the chip up y'all. Slow and steady wins the race!
Marathon not a sprint!