rhombus said:For whatever reason the 9-10 jump is a 15% raise. 10-11 and 11-12 are about 5 % jumps. All the other jumps at about 10% except for 4-5 which is about 14%.
9-10 jump is nearly impossible which is why there is only 1 lvl 10 up down in the entire country currently. Idk if BNA or AUS will make it but the system is fucked.
boots said:9-10 jump is nearly impossible which is why there is only 1 lvl 10 up down in the entire country currently. Idk if BNA or AUS will make it but the system is fucked.
BNA will probably make it, thing is MTSU is moving their flight school to Shelbyville, so that might damage the numbers. Lots of factors, but they are close.
GulfCharlie said:BNA will probably make it, thing is MTSU is moving their flight school to Shelbyville, so that might damage the numbers. Lots of factors, but they are close.
Can you imagine working double the amount of ops as almost every other 9 for the same pay?
boots said:Can you imagine working double the amount of ops as almost every other 9 for the same pay?
Or not being able to transfer out until staffing is up to par and waiting almost 10 years just to advance your career? No. It is one the reasons I left for DoD.
The paybands are are sorta grouped together. 4-5-6, 7-8-9, and10-11-12. This means some jumps are simply dumb for the increased amount of work vs pay raise. Especially at the higher levels.
Random aside: Since tower requires the least amount of actual air traffic talent can you tower guys stop crying about your pay?
Soul_Controller said:The paybands are are sorta grouped together. 4-5-6, 7-8-9, and10-11-12. This means some jumps are simply dumb for the increased amount of work vs pay raise. Especially at the higher levels.
Random aside: Since tower requires the least amount of actual air traffic talent can you tower guys stop crying about your pay?
Never! It’s my right as a gub’mint employee.
Soul_Controller said:The paybands are are sorta grouped together. 4-5-6, 7-8-9, and10-11-12. This means some jumps are simply dumb for the increased amount of work vs pay raise. Especially at the higher levels.
Random aside: Since tower requires the least amount of actual air traffic talent can you tower guys stop crying about your pay?
Sometimes I do wonder if moving to a system of fewer levels e.g. A=12+, B=10-11, C=7-9, D=5-6 F=4 would lead to fewer issues, and far fewer upgrades/downgrades. A lot of time energy and effort is spent on 1 point upgrades/downgrades.
Soul_Controller said:The paybands are are sorta grouped together. 4-5-6, 7-8-9, and10-11-12. This means some jumps are simply dumb for the increased amount of work vs pay raise. Especially at the higher levels.
Random aside: Since tower requires the least amount of actual air traffic talent can you tower guys stop crying about your pay?
Tower requires the least amount of actual ATC talent, lol. That's one of the best jokes I've heard in a long long time lol.
boots said:9-10 jump is nearly impossible which is why there is only 1 lvl 10 up down in the entire country currently. Idk if BNA or AUS will make it but the system is fucked.
How is 9 to 10 nearly impossible? There are plenty of 9’s and plenty of 10’s
rhombus said:How is 9 to 10 nearly impossible? There are plenty of 9’s and plenty of 10’s
Go look at the numbers BNA and AUS run and the staffing they have. Then go look at MSY and CVG.
The modifier for having a class bravo is ridiculous.
Can anyone explain how JFK is under the buffer for years with no downgrade but MSP and LAX get the axe
WordsTwice said:Can anyone explain how JFK is under the buffer for years with no downgrade but MSP and LAX get the axe
Special rules for special places
WordsTwice said:Can anyone explain how JFK is under the buffer for years with no downgrade but MSP and LAX get the axe
The natca mafia is lead by east coasters
boots said:Go look at the numbers BNA and AUS run and the staffing they have. Then go look at MSY and CVG.
The modifier for having a class bravo is ridiculous.
Ah I see what you’re saying. Maybe that explains the higher pay bump for 9-10
WordsTwice said:Can anyone explain how JFK is under the buffer for years with no downgrade but MSP and LAX get the axe
Metroplex paragraph in Appendix A
WordsTwice said:Can anyone explain how JFK is under the buffer for years with no downgrade but MSP and LAX get the axe
Don’t worry about it
WordsTwice said:Can anyone explain how JFK is under the buffer for years with no downgrade but MSP and LAX get the axe
The New York air traffic controllers association . It why you get to pay Paul 250k a year when he doesn’t even have a fully functional website
boots said:9-10 jump is nearly impossible which is why there is only 1 lvl 10 up down in the entire country currently. Idk if BNA or AUS will make it but the system is fucked.
I wouldn't surprised if DAB got upgraded to a 10 again in the not to distant future. Selfishly I hope it doesn't happen until after Feb of 2025.
boots said:9-10 jump is nearly impossible which is why there is only 1 lvl 10 up down in the entire country currently. Idk if BNA or AUS will make it but the system is fucked.
PBI is busier than AUS
Dousand24 said:PBI is busier than AUS
Id be curious to look at the numbers when I work today.
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