Facility Downgrades / Upgrades

[tylertrend]

You realize this covers pretty much most enroute CPCs? Not exactly a rarity or a flex.



Damn that blows. With CDs paying 5%+ and high inflation, a back-pay lump sum is basically a stealth paycut. FFS even the fucking IRS starts paying you interest if it takes them more than 45 days to process your refund.

The guy above saying "you get back pay it doesn't matter"... broski... ECON 101 man.

To be fair I never said it doesn’t matter, it would be a “nicety” but getting 4-6 months of back pay even sans interest is more impactful to my life. I’m sitting upstairs in an un-airconditioned tower today just trying to appreciate the small things and not take much for granted.

 

[echster]

Downgrade - Oct 20th:
OGG (Kahului) - ATC-7 to ATC-6

 

[ABACUS]

Downgrade - Oct 20th:
OGG (Kahului) - ATC-7 to ATC-6

Dam, thats a cold one from the FAA.

 

[Somenewguy]

Yikes. Good luck getting people there. Sounds like it's time to go contract in ITO and OGG and send over the sectors and FAA controllers to HCF.

 

[echster]

Upgrades (backdated to):

06/02/24 - POU (Poughkeepsie) - ATC-4 to ATC-5
07/14/24 - CMI (Champaign) - ATC-5 to ATC-6
07/28/24 - PHL (Philadelphia) - ATC-11 to ATC-12
08/11/24 - GEG (Spokane) - ATC-7 to ATC-8

 

[SquawkHijack]

Upgrades (backdated to):

06/02/24 - POU (Poughkeepsie) - ATC-4 to ATC-5
07/14/24 - CMI (Champaign) - ATC-5 to ATC-6
07/28/24 - PHL (Philadelphia) - ATC-11 to ATC-12
08/11/24 - GEG (Spokane) - ATC-7 to ATC-8

Good for those facs! LAS & L30 should join them from 11 to 12, I believe they’ve both been over the threshold for some time. Among ZJX and a few others in the same boat.

 

[S.T.O.P.]

PHL has never touched level 12 on the TCI, yet they were upgraded immediately when they absorbed N90 Newark sector. Yet, when smaller facilities absorb additional radar sectors, they need to build years of data to maybe see an upgrade... interesting

 

[ATC Zero]

PHL has never touched level 12 on the TCI, yet they were upgraded immediately when they absorbed N90 Newark sector. Yet, when smaller facilities absorb additional radar sectors, they need to build years of data to maybe see an upgrade... interesting

More big FAATCA looking out for FAATCA.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

PHL has never touched level 12 on the TCI, yet they were upgraded immediately when they absorbed N90 Newark sector. Yet, when smaller facilities absorb additional radar sectors, they need to build years of data to maybe see an upgrade... interesting

Mid to lower level facilities don’t matter.

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

Mid to lower level facilities don’t matter.

NATCA has consistently proven that to be the case unfortunately

 

[SquawkHijack]

PHL has never touched level 12 on the TCI, yet they were upgraded immediately when they absorbed N90 Newark sector. Yet, when smaller facilities absorb additional radar sectors, they need to build years of data to maybe see an upgrade... interesting

Yap, I’m with ncssailor on that one. Guarantee you that’s just what the agency used to jerk off NATCA under the table and sell them on it. Makes me wonder what was parlayed with the airlines to make them reduce traffic for the cutover period…

Although, I will say when it comes to smaller facilities absorbing others, as the TCI stands, if the airspace/airports being absorbed are slow, it can result in no change in facility level, it can even result in a downgrade if the additional stuff being bought is slow enough. It all has to do with effectively buying more airspace but potentially working less traffic relative to it.

Higher level facilities have the “bravo cushion” equations in the TCI which gives this particular kind of thing much less potential for them.

Put simply, you can buy all the airspace you want. But if you want to get upgraded, you gotta have the traffic to go with it.

 

[ATC Zero]

Yap, I’m with ncssailor on that one. Guarantee you that’s just what the agency used to jerk off NATCA under the table and sell them on it. Makes me wonder what was parlayed with the airlines to make them reduce traffic for the cutover period…

Although, I will say when it comes to smaller facilities absorbing others, as the TCI stands, if the airspace/airports being absorbed are slow, it can result in no change in facility level, it can even result in a downgrade if the additional stuff being bought is slow enough. It all has to do with effectively buying more airspace but potentially working less traffic relative to it.

Higher level facilities have the “bravo cushion” equations in the TCI which gives this particular kind of thing much less potential for them.

Put simply, you can buy all the airspace you want. But if you want to get upgraded, you gotta have the traffic to go with it.

CIP is another one of the good ole boy benefits that NATCA elites got for certain facilities. There are a ton of facilities that are getting CIP where it’s not needed to attract transfers if that’s what it really is: Incentive Pay.

 

[Nothanks]

CIP is another one of the good ole boy benefits that NATCA elites got for certain facilities. There are a ton of facilities that are getting CIP where it’s not needed to attract transfers if that’s what it really is: Incentive Pay.

That wasn’t the original intent. The narrative changed along the way.

 

[ATC Zero]

That wasn’t the original intent. The narrative changed along the way.

It has the ability to be changed they added some facilities in the last few years but like you will hear from RVP if asked there’s no way to change the list. The are liars and just stack lie upon lie when asked.

 

[Redacted]

That wasn’t the original intent. The narrative changed along the way.

What was the original intent, how did it get the word “incentive” in its name, and why does the most coveted facility in the nation (KDEN) deserve it?

All questions we all should be asking.

 

[Mike Kilo]

What was the original intent, how did it get the word “incentive” in its name, and why does the most coveted facility in the nation (KDEN) deserve it?

All questions we all should be asking.

Rename it Currency Incentive Pay and take it nationwide.

 

[DankVectorz]

Guarantee you that’s just what the agency used to jerk off NATCA under the table and sell them on it. Makes me wonder what was parlayed with the airlines to make them reduce traffic for the cutover period…

An accelerated TCI was one of our demands to go. As for the airlines, they didn’t cut much back. We were told they would reduce traffic down to like a 28 rate for months after cutover but apparently the airlines were told it would a 32 rate for 2 weeks. In reality HQ tried to get us to go back to a 40+ rate by the first swing shift.

 

[Nothanks]

What was the original intent, how did it get the word “incentive” in its name, and why does the most coveted facility in the nation (KDEN) deserve it?

All questions we all should be asking.

You should ask them. I don’t think the internet world is the place to ask. Ask elected union officials.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

You should ask them. I don’t think the internet world is the place to ask. Ask elected union officials.

So you call out someone who gave an accurate description saying “that wasn’t the original intent of CIP” but when someone asks you what WAS the original intent, you deflect. Your bullshit around here is fucking ridiculous. Fuck you and your “bRoThErs.” People like you are what’s ruined the union and this career.

 

[buffalochickenqueefadilla]

Where do you guys find these upgrade / downgrade lists? We've been on the cusp for a while and I'm emotionally invested