New academy track

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Aka…ZOA. But like I said, lots of people over 250k and even more over 200k like yourself.

The whole point of my post is I had to give up half of my weekends this year just to break $200,000 at a level 12 (200 OT Hours is 25 days). I’m hopeful our pay will be seriously addressed in the next contract

 

[Nothanks]

The whole point of my post is I had to give up half of my weekends this year just to break $200,000 at a level 12 (200 OT Hours is 25 days). I’m hopeful our pay will be seriously addressed in the next contract

It’ll be addressed alright. Vivek and Musk will help us out for sure

 

[RadarRick]

The whole point of my post is I had to give up half of my weekends this year just to break $200,000 at a level 12 (200 OT Hours is 25 days). I’m hopeful our pay will be seriously addressed in the next contract

One of the reasons our specific union is a joke, the 40 hour work week is considered one of the biggest gains of organized labor in the last century.

Our reps routinely quote your pay for 48-60 hours as if it’s normal, while they themselves have arranged unsupervised at home details where everybody knows that they aren’t working full time. And these same people could be at your facility helping with staffing!


Back to basics, get a god damn raise. The NAS being so poorly managed by the FAA that they need regular controllers working 6 day weeks every single week they don’t have annual should be the FAA’s problem, not NATCA’s to happily solve.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

It’ll be addressed alright. Vivek and Musk will help us out for sure

I’m optimistic about it. Those two seem more concerned about mid level management and people who work from home. If you’re looking to cut out bloat, there is plenty of it above us.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

 

[CoffeeIV]

NATCA really should try to get ERR target to be like 125-150% for facilities and Academy to 100%.

Gives those already in the agency and certified a higher chance to actually get to some of these facilities without hindering those facilities from getting staffing while waiting. Many of the facilities on the list above have a couple ERRs filed inbound but they can't wait forever for those facilities to release. They could get staffed to 100% via prior experience/academy while waiting.

 

[SquawkHijack]

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They really put Honalulu on there… these managers are in a fantasy land lol.

NATCA really should try to get ERR target to be like 125-150% for facilities and Academy to 100%.

Gives those already in the agency and certified a higher chance to actually get to some of these facilities without hindering those facilities from getting staffing while waiting. Many of the facilities on the list above have a couple ERRs filed inbound but they can't wait forever for those facilities to release. They could get staffed to 100% via prior experience/academy while waiting.

Exactly my issue. My forever facility is on this IQTR list and actually has good staffing regularly. I’ll probably never get there now courtesy of dumb fucking managers.

 

[BDUB]

The faa hiring is so garbage. My last list had 7’s and below and I have 7yrs of experience with an up down and a busy tower only. Meanwhile academy grads get 8’s it makes zero sense. They keep coming up with random ideas and implementing them without asking anyone if they should. NATCA should be involved in hiring like they are with everything else the FAA does. Why stop collaboration at the hiring of new controllers I don’t get it.

 

[Nothanks]

The faa hiring is so garbage. My last list had 7’s and below and I have 7yrs of experience with an up down and a busy tower only. Meanwhile academy grads get 8’s it makes zero sense. They keep coming up with random ideas and implementing them without asking anyone if they should. NATCA should be involved in hiring like they are with everything else the FAA does. Why stop collaboration at the hiring of new controllers I don’t get it.

Not too long ago you would get level 12s from the academy. Things are always changing. Is what it is

I’m optimistic about it. Those two seem more concerned about mid level management and people who work from home. If you’re looking to cut out bloat, there is plenty of it above us.

You probably shouldn’t be. Pay has gone to arbitration every time except for 1999. If it’s up to a panel, it won’t make anyone on here happy.

 

[BDUB]

Not too long ago you would get level 12s from the academy. Things are always changing. Is what it is

Retention is a serious problem keep sticking people at black hole facilities and implementing stupid hiring practices and the FAA will continue hitting its hiring goal of +100 net controllers a year because people keep quitting lol.

 

[AB19]

Retention is a serious problem keep sticking people at black hole facilities and implementing stupid hiring practices and the FAA will continue hitting its hiring goal of +100 net controllers a year because people keep quitting lol.

Midland was at 18 bodies when I left. They have something like 8 now because I think 7 or 8 people went DOD

 

[Soul_Controller]

Midland was at 18 bodies when I left. They have something like 8 now because I think 7 or 8 people went DOD

Them going to a seven hurts. But some shit is a self fulfilling prophecy. There's no real reason for Midland to be in a worse position than LBB, AMA, ABI, or ACT.

 

[Gauff]

Them going to a seven hurts. But some shit is a self fulfilling prophecy. There's no real reason for Midland to be in a worse position than LBB, AMA, ABI, or ACT.

Idk, ACT, LBB, and ABI aren't really comparable in terms of location. Not saying they're great but there's at least some stuff in those areas (especially ACT) and they aren't crazy far from Dallas, but MAF is way tf out there.

 

[Nothanks]

Retention is a serious problem keep sticking people at black hole facilities and implementing stupid hiring practices and the FAA will continue hitting its hiring goal of +100 net controllers a year because people keep quitting lol.

I don’t know how this is a response to what I said

 

[SquawkHijack]

I don’t know how this is a response to what I said

I think he was trying to say that because our staffing and retention is at an all time low, it’s now more pointless than ever that they keep trying to reinvent the wheel with placement out of the academy.

 

[AB19]

Them going to a seven hurts. But some shit is a self fulfilling prophecy. There's no real reason for Midland to be in a worse position than LBB, AMA, ABI, or ACT.

The location is actually that much worse, four and a half hours to get to a big city, not college town like Lubbock is, cost of living is outrageous for being a desert wasteland. Id quit the FAA before going back

 

[32andBelow]

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that the FAA lets people work 2 on 2 off with per diem for some flight service stations.

 

[Nothanks]

I think he was trying to say that because our staffing and retention is at an all time low, it’s now more pointless than ever that they keep trying to reinvent the wheel with placement out of the academy.

Everyone was mad about academy placement though? Oh well. Guess can’t make everyone happy

 

[bradlutz]

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that the FAA lets people work 2 on 2 off with per diem for some flight service stations.

How else you going to get someone to work at Utqiagvik.

 

[Nothanks]

One of the reasons our specific union is a joke, the 40 hour work week is considered one of the biggest gains of organized labor in the last century.

Our reps routinely quote your pay for 48-60 hours as if it’s normal, while they themselves have arranged unsupervised at home details where everybody knows that they aren’t working full time. And these same people could be at your facility helping with staffing!


Back to basics, get a god damn raise. The NAS being so poorly managed by the FAA that they need regular controllers working 6 day weeks every single week they don’t have annual should be the FAA’s problem, not NATCA’s to happily solve.

Isn’t that why NATCA had to go to congress to get higher staffing target numbers written into law? I don’t think Natca is happily working 6 day work weeks.