Duckbutter
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So I know the remedy if you get skipped on the OT list but what if it’s the other way around? I am scheduled to work OT a few weeks in a row and they’ve skipped someone else and I don’t want to work one of the shifts.
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That doesn’t necessarily mean the rdo before and after your leave is protected from OT though. My old facility’s MOU specified that BUEs had to choose either the two RDOs before your prime leave or the two after when bidding their leave. My current facility doesn’t even ask or seem aware of the “protected” RDO thing in the contract
Your old facility's MOU in not in compliance with the CBA. My old facility was handling it the same. Facrep insisted it was permitted. I disagreed, and so did the RVP. Then it got fixed.
Two consecutive or non-consecutive weeks including RDOs means any two seven consecutive calenday day periods OR any single period of 14 consecutive days (7 days + 7 days).
When either of those periods start is at the discretion of the employee.
Example: Any employee, regardless of crew assignment, would be allowed to bid from August 1 through August 14.
That same employee could also bid from August 10 through the 16 and from Nov 20 through Nov 26. Doesn't matter where his/her RDOs fall.
All seven-day periods would be protected from OT assignment. Please note that any of those period may span across RDOs.
This matter was settled at arbitration by the Mediation to Finality Panel in 2009 shortly before the Red Book was implemented.
Any facility that doesn't handle it as described above is doing it wrong. Have your Facrep call your RVP if that's the case, or reach out to your RVP yourself.
Two consecutive or non-consecutive weeks including RDOs means any two seven consecutive calenday day periods OR any single period of 14 consecutive days (7 days + 7 days).
When either of those periods start is at the discretion of the employee.
Example: Any employee, regardless of crew assignment, would be allowed to bid from August 1 through August 14.
That same employee could also bid from August 10 through the 16 and from Nov 20 through Nov 26. Doesn't matter where his/her RDOs fall.
All seven-day periods would be protected from OT assignment. Please note that any of those period may span across RDOs.
This matter was settled at arbitration by the Mediation to Finality Panel in 2009 shortly before the Red Book was implemented.
Any facility that doesn't handle it as described above is doing it wrong. Have your Facrep call your RVP if that's the case, or reach out to your RVP yourself.
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Can they really force OT on your RDO next to leave. When we bid we don’t even have the option to bid our RDOs as leave. They are just not selectable
You should be afforded the option to select any consecutive 7-days to be in compliance with the CBA as well as the arbitrator's decision.
Yiu could start the 7-day period on your second RDO through your first RDO and those RDOs would be protected but the preceding 1st and following 2nd RDOs would not, if that makes sense.
The Agency was arguing that a week meant a "workweek" depending on what crew the BUE was on. The Agency also argued that spanning RDOs would constitute two weeks for PTL purposes.
The arbitrator disagreed and sided with NATCA.
Yiu could start the 7-day period on your second RDO through your first RDO and those RDOs would be protected but the preceding 1st and following 2nd RDOs would not, if that makes sense.
The Agency was arguing that a week meant a "workweek" depending on what crew the BUE was on. The Agency also argued that spanning RDOs would constitute two weeks for PTL purposes.
The arbitrator disagreed and sided with NATCA.
My facility 100% does it wrong. They get very angry if you try to bid an RDO slot.
When you are bidding the full 2 weeks (7 days each) does that take 14 of your leave days away or only 10? I earn 20 days so would I bid 6 or 10 more days on later rounds?
When you are bidding the full 2 weeks (7 days each) does that take 14 of your leave days away or only 10? I earn 20 days so would I bid 6 or 10 more days on later rounds?
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You don’t actually bid the RDOs. Just the consecutive 5 days. The contract is written so you don’t need to. However if you were to try and get the two days off in front of your prime time you’d probably have to get in touch with the scheduler or Sup as it gets closer to being published, but I’ve never heard of doing it that way.
I just want to clarify that the five workdays do not necessarily have to be consecutive. The CBA defines a week as a "period of seven consecutive days including RDO."
Any BUE, regardless of crew assignment is permitted to bid from August 1 through August 14 in the example I gave. Depending on crew assignment, the five days may not be consecutive.
Nothing in the contract mandates that the "week" of PTL has to coincide with the BUE's "workweek", i.e. five consecutive workdays. It is a period of ANY seven consecutive days. The employee gets to decide when the 7-day period starts. You count seven calendar days from the first day you pick, which will automatically include two (or three, if you work 4-10's) RDOs. This matter was settled at arbitration. Individual facilities cannot overrule that decision.
A BUE with Wed/Thu RDOs bids two weeks of PTL as follows:
1) Two consecutive weeks from 08/01/21 through and including 08/14/21
WEEK ONE: From Sun, 08/01 to Sat, 08/07: PTL, PTL, PTL, RDO, RDO, PTL, PTL
WEEK TWO: From Sun, 08/08 to Sat, 08/14: PTL, PTL, PTL, RDO, RDO, PTL, PTL
OR
2) Two non-consecutive weeks from 08/10/21 through and including 08/16/2021, and from 11/20/2021 through and including 11/26/2021
WEEK ONE: From Tue, 08/10 to Mon, 08/16: PTL, RDO, RDO, PTL, PTL, PTL, PTL
WEEK TWO: From Sat, 11/20 to Fri 11/26: PTL, PTL, PTL, PTL, RDO, RDO, PTL
The examples given above are in compliance with the CBA and the Mediation to Finality Panel decision concerning two consecutive or non-consecutive weeks of Prime Time Leave.
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You guys make this so damn complicated.
It’s easy. I want 10/9-10/15 for my leave. That’s 7 days. It’s not what the pay period is.
The agency will “try” to protect you from being assigned OT, there’s still a possibility.
Tell me where I interpret this article wrong
It’s easy. I want 10/9-10/15 for my leave. That’s 7 days. It’s not what the pay period is.
The agency will “try” to protect you from being assigned OT, there’s still a possibility.
Tell me where I interpret this article wrong
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But these keyboard warriors know better than the higher ups in the union, yet don’t understand what 7 days means and still want to renegotiate out contract. SMH.
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I’m the keyboard warrior today. It literally says in a post above the words of the contract. It says a week being defined as 7 days.
Look up. A week is 7 days. Contract defines that.
There are classes all the time, check the website or they're occasionally in the emails but I rarely read those
I simply said I don’t understand the slate book why is that bad? Just trying to get clarification on what’s going on and if my local is abiding to the rules from the internet gods you all are…..
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Apology accepted
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what about the article that says you can’t be assigned OT if you can’t do it? Wouldn’t bring in a different state on your RDOs make it so you can’t do it?
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But but but on his own time?????
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