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Tuco_Benidito said:
Lets say the President of the USA, Russia, China, the UK etc were all on a boat.
Each country is responsible for plugging their hole on the boat.
The USA plugs their hole and the holes of several other Presidents, the UK plugs about a half of their hole and Russia, China, India etc. are all drilling holes throughout their side of the boat.

Is the USA doing anything to prevent the boat from sinking?

No....... So the Paris Accord (which pretends to be a treaty but does not have to follow the laws of making it a binding treaty) is worthless because the Boat will sink regardless.
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Tuco_Benidito said:
Lets say the President of the USA, Russia, China, the UK etc were all on a boat.
Each country is responsible for plugging their hole on the boat.
The USA plugs their hole and the holes of several other Presidents, the UK plugs about a half of their hole and Russia, China, India etc. are all drilling holes throughout their side of the boat.

Is the USA doing anything to prevent the boat from sinking?

No....... So the Paris Accord (which pretends to be a treaty but does not have to follow the laws of making it a binding treaty) is worthless because the Boat will sink regardless.
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Tuco_Benidito said:
Lets say the President of the USA, Russia, China, the UK etc were all on a boat.
Each country is responsible for plugging their hole on the boat.
The USA plugs their hole and the holes of several other Presidents, the UK plugs about a half of their hole and Russia, China, India etc. are all drilling holes throughout their side of the boat.

Is the USA doing anything to prevent the boat from sinking?

No....... So the Paris Accord (which pretends to be a treaty but does not have to follow the laws of making it a binding treaty) is worthless because the Boat will sink regardless.
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CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Emissions per Capita for each Country in the world
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Achshulllllly..... more like the US saying we are plugging holes (or that the holes don't exist) while the drill is running away behind our backs. And that's just CO2 emissions, not counting all the garbage we dump in the oceans and in landfills. The US NAVY ALONE accounts for more ocean polluting than most countries bordering an ocean.

Saying we are doing all the heavy lifting on climate change is laughable when we can't even get many states to set emissions standards for cars or get most of the populace on board with funding public trans or doing something about how we produce energy.

Bottom line is it's better to acknowledge the holes need plugging and collectively agreeing we should stop the ship from sinking, and have some crew members doing more work bailing than others than not at all.

If you want to claim American exceptionalism in your argument we actually have to be.....exceptional about what we are arguing about, and on climate we definitely are not.
 
AB19 said:
To counter point your thing, yes I think it’s gross that the Paris climate accord lets China, and other developing nations pollute, and I would rather everyone switch to a renewable/nuclear energy grid, however we as the developed world did improve our countries off the back of fossil fuels, and is fucked up to tell countries we exploited that they can not do the same thing we did to improve their countries. But I’m also prepared for nothing to ever happen with anything because people like to point fingers elsewhere instead of being leaders
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I mean, that’s my entire point you’re making: If climate change activists continue using dire arguments like “today is the tipping point, we need to stop polluting now or we will cause irreparable harm,” these same people supporting things like the Paris accords is hypocrisy, and I (and climate change skeptics) don’t take them seriously. It’s no different than Democrats advocating for masking policies then openly defying them, it dilutes the message and pushes people on the fence away from supporting said policies. It’s not a good message at all.


Peter Gibbons said:
I was speaking in terms of the "infrastructure" bill it was attached to, I'm unsure of his original position on the tax credit in particular. Fact remains he's playing his role as spoiler for progressive reforms, as he always does. Again, see the article referenced a day or two ago about the rotating villain strategy.
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That OpEd is his take on the bill as a whole. He didn’t support it as proposed because of too much spending, and was open to negotiation to reduce the cost of it.

Peter Gibbons said:
No, but intentionally and continually doing contrarian things to gain political clout is not that.
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He’s not being a contrarian to be a contrarian, he’s doing what I said he was: a check on groupthink power. See my point about Republican checks on Trump extremism. This is no different, just from a fiscal standpoint.


Peter Gibbons said:
Because the Trump wing of the GOP is dogshit insane. Did you see the gubernatorial candidate in Montana I think calling Taylor-greene a commie because she was saying impeach Joe biden? Apparently acknowledging the biden presidency as a member of congress makes you a leftist now? It's a race to the bottom with those people.
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Peter Gibbons said:
I don't see what's extreme about progressive policies most of the developed world have. I don't see anyone in congress talking about nationalizing GE and Amazon.
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Oh, come on. Proposing reparations to be paid to people based on skin color and not based on whether they were slaves? Wanting Biden to completely absolve student debt with a stroke of a pen? AOC doing a crying photo op at the border when Trump was in charge because of kids in cages, but being virtually silent now despite Biden presiding over many more kids in cages?

Just look at progressive immigration policy in general, their calls for amnesty and an end to deportation would make most European countries they want us to be like disgusted.

The extreme left wing of the Democrats is just as dogshit crazy, and no, they don’t advocate for policies that their socialist utopias have, they want much more.

Peter Gibbons said:
Do I need it? No. We made due without it for the months beforehand, but again we are fortunate enough to be in a position where we don't have to pay for daycare and live in a lower COL area. Again, I'm not saying what I make, or 150k (which is not what I'm making lol) is a poverty wage but whether it's a single mom making 26k a year using it to buy food for her kid, or a family making 80k a year who it allows to get over the hump into home ownership in a neighborhood with good schools, or the family whose making 149k a year who use it to pay for little Timmy's travel baseball league, its all enriching for the kids, and by extension the country in the future.
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I guess we just have to agree to disagree that households in this country making 150k, double the country median, should be entitled to tax breaks just because they pop out kids. I don’t see that listed in the Constitution.

Peter Gibbons said:
And for the record, the boat was bought in cash for less than I pay every month to the bank for my mortgage, and my monthly slip rental costs me what feeding a family of four at McDonald's for a meal costs.....my floating can ain't some mega yacht lol, and much to my wife's chagrin we ain't the Kennedys. Nice try though.
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Most households making 67k don’t have a boat. That’s the point.

Peter Gibbons said:
I don't think the Paris Climate Accords were meant to be a permanent fix, more a starting point. China/India, and to a lesser extent the third world do absolutely need to get on board faster o agree. But something is better than nothing. It can't always be black and white do it or do not when dealing with 200 countries and 8 billion people.
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It’s a shit starting point. We need to have a baseline of what’s acceptable, and this isn’t it. On a somewhat related note, I’ve been following the IATSE labor dispute closely, and it’s reflective of what’s going on with this: The union leaders made an awful deal with the studios, and are trying to tell the voting base “you should be happy with you got, even though the main reasons for this dispute haven’t been addressed.” It’s the same here, people saying we should be happy with the Paris climate accords, despite China literally continuing to pollute for decades and causing more damage to the earth. The popular opinion with the IATSE members is to vote down the deal, because it doesn’t address the problems they have at all, and I think the Paris accords should be handled the same way.

Peter Gibbons said:
People rolling coal should be shamed, because it's fucking retarded and thumbing your nose at environmental causes because you can is childish. That said, I do agree governments and big business absolutely need to stop putting the onus on individuals when it's them causing the bulk of the problems.
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It’s almost like Politicians not obeying mask mandates after talking down to people who don’t want to follow them.

But yeah, I don’t want to hear how it’s the people of LA’s fault on the west coast when governments let farmers waste ridiculous amounts of water unchecked.

Peter Gibbons said:
Leadership is not authoritarianism, at least it shouldn't be from the "freest country in the world". This is a bad take.
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When the goal is to save the planet, either you’re going to do it with us or you’re not. Flexing economic might with sanctions on those who won’t stop polluting isn’t “authoritarianism,” it’s international politics.

Peter Gibbons said:
Agree. Problem lies in how to do that. Paris Climate agreement is far from perfect, but it's better than doing absolutely nothing, which seems to be the plan of the right.
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See my comparison to the IATSE strike above. We shouldn’t accept things that contribute to the problem.
 
Homsar said:
I mean, that’s my entire point you’re making: If climate change activists continue using dire arguments like “today is the tipping point, we need to stop polluting now or we will cause irreparable harm,” these same people supporting things like the Paris accords is hypocrisy, and I (and climate change skeptics) don’t take them seriously. It’s no different than Democrats advocating for masking policies then openly defying them, it dilutes the message and pushes people on the fence away from supporting said policies. It’s not a good message at all.




That OpEd is his take on the bill as a whole. He didn’t support it as proposed because of too much spending, and was open to negotiation to reduce the cost of it.



He’s not being a contrarian to be a contrarian, he’s doing what I said he was: a check on groupthink power. See my point about Republican checks on Trump extremism. This is no different, just from a fiscal standpoint.






Oh, come on. Proposing reparations to be paid to people based on skin color and not based on whether they were slaves? Wanting Biden to completely absolve student debt with a stroke of a pen? AOC doing a crying photo op at the border when Trump was in charge because of kids in cages, but being virtually silent now despite Biden presiding over many more kids in cages?

Just look at progressive immigration policy in general, their calls for amnesty and an end to deportation would make most European countries they want us to be like disgusted.

The extreme left wing of the Democrats is just as dogshit crazy, and no, they don’t advocate for policies that their socialist utopias have, they want much more.



I guess we just have to agree to disagree that households in this country making 150k, double the country median, should be entitled to tax breaks just because they pop out kids. I don’t see that listed in the Constitution.



Most households making 67k don’t have a boat. That’s the point.



It’s a shit starting point. We need to have a baseline of what’s acceptable, and this isn’t it. On a somewhat related note, I’ve been following the IATSE labor dispute closely, and it’s reflective of what’s going on with this: The union leaders made an awful deal with the studios, and are trying to tell the voting base “you should be happy with you got, even though the main reasons for this dispute haven’t been addressed.” It’s the same here, people saying we should be happy with the Paris climate accords, despite China literally continuing to pollute for decades and causing more damage to the earth. The popular opinion with the IATSE members is to vote down the deal, because it doesn’t address the problems they have at all, and I think the Paris accords should be handled the same way.



It’s almost like Politicians not obeying mask mandates after talking down to people who don’t want to follow them.

But yeah, I don’t want to hear how it’s the people of LA’s fault on the west coast when governments let farmers waste ridiculous amounts of water unchecked.



When the goal is to save the planet, either you’re going to do it with us or you’re not. Flexing economic might with sanctions on those who won’t stop polluting isn’t “authoritarianism,” it’s international politics.


See my comparison to the IATSE strike above. We shouldn’t accept things that contribute to the problem.
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Uglytaco said:
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What in the flying ass? Has this been done before? Just making someone a 4 star admiral?
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The assistant secretary for public health or whatever it’s called is always a 4 star admiral if they serve in the uniformed US public health corps.
 
CF said:
The assistant secretary for public health or whatever it’s called is always a 4 star admiral if they serve in the uniformed US public health corps.
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Ah, that kind of sucks. He got all those ribbons from what? I also wish this position was given to a woman, equal rights, you know?
 
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