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I'm OTS and we're doing tabletops/3D currently. I was worried coming into this with 15 of the class being CTI as well, but it's only as hard as you make it.

Phraseology is the important part, if ita on the book or your lead says it then it's golden. Get the phraseology down.

Organization is important as well, you don't want to be distracted by trying to find a strip you put somewhere and forget an extension/clearance.

Be smart, study hard, and be good on your karma and you'll be fine.
 
I graduated from the academy in July and the PA problems were more similar than different. You had the same "gotchas" but they just showed up at different times with different aircraft type. The pattern was equally busy in both problems.

There were rumors that they were working on changes when I was there so it's possible the problems are different.
 
HighFrequency said:
So I've heard. Doesn't look like it's going to be an option next week either way. Warming up to BGM as a possibility, or POU if the class placing Monday doesn't grab it.
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Both BGM and POU will be fairly quick checkout and basically a guaranteed certification. Great way to get your foot in the door and secure your CPC.
BGMs radar will possibly get consolidated somewhere else in the next 5 years.
 
Omegahare said:
Both BGM and POU will be fairly quick checkout and basically a guaranteed certification. Great way to get your foot in the door and secure your CPC.
BGMs radar will possibly get consolidated somewhere else in the next 5 years.
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We have 8 CPCs and 6 trainees with another trainee coming end of this month at POU...
 
Omegahare said:
Both BGM and POU will be fairly quick checkout and basically a guaranteed certification. Great way to get your foot in the door and secure your CPC.
BGMs radar will possibly get consolidated somewhere else in the next 5 years.
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To expand on this we are still waiting on the 804 recommendation... The rumor mill is either we take ELM approach, OR ELM to ROC, and BGM to either SYR or AVP... But for the foreseeable future we will keep our airspace
 
There was a spreadsheet with aircraft types and call signs floating around recently. Is that still accurate to study from pre basics or is it best to wait and get a list while at the academy?
 
JBabs said:
There was a spreadsheet with aircraft types and call signs floating around recently. Is that still accurate to study from pre basics or is it best to wait and get a list while at the academy?
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Study up and get familiar now. Every little thing that doesn’t distract from the actual controlling will help. Callsigns and phraseology. Also type aircraft. I called a Navajo “Seneca” that dude just sat on the crossing runway in position until I figured it out. On my PV no less.
 
Can anyone give a little more detail as to where exactly people are losing points on Terminal PV's? Top 5 most likely/costly errors...?

I'm going to guess trainees who fail are scoring at best an average of 68% on PV's.
 
rdodger522 said:
Can anyone give a little more detail as to where exactly people are losing points on Terminal PV's? Top 5 most likely/costly errors...?

I'm going to guess trainees who fail are scoring at best an average of 68% on PV's.
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Seems like the main trouble point is not being able to manage the fast movers that disrupt the pattern. You either need to handle them ASAP or start issuing traffic calls immediately. Fast mover from the northeast can be multiple separation errors with your IFR arrivals and your 28L in a matter of a few seconds. 3 separation errors equals 48 points off.
 
I second what Erick said ^^
You can afford to have a separation error and still be able to pass, maybe even 2 sep errors but, I would say the most common easy things you can fix where people lose stupid points is forgetting to switch an IFR to departure(5 points), forgetting to give caution wake turbulence advisories(5 points), and forgetting to IDentify themselves as AAC tower or omitting Heavy from a call sign. The last 2 I mentioned are only 1 point each- but over 30 minutes, that adds up. If you forget to switch 3 guys to departure, that’s 15 points you shouldn’t lose.

If I remember correctly, if you average 9/10 points during the first portion of the book work of tower, and then average a 90 on both ground runs in the PV, you can average something like a 57 on both. LC runs and still pass with a 70. Now, I don’t suggest getting hung up on that- get every point you can.

Do you know what they call a Doctor who graduated Medical school with a C grade point average....?

A Doctor
 
rdodger522 said:
That's the first time on any forum I've actually read a solid assessment as to why people are failing. What about on ground?
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Ground is simple. No reason not to get close to 100% on it. I think the biggest thing to watch out for is making sure the aircrafts read back hold short instructions. So far in training, at least one time per problem an aircraft won’t read back a hold short and blow right through RWY16. Listen to key words and you’ll be fine. You also have to deal with vehicles going out to the radar and crash shack so coordinate with your local so you don’t go head to head with an aircraft turning off at echo.
 
What I saw that was Very common on Ground During PV is that your Local will start going down the shitter and won’t be getting his Departures off 28R. On GC- make sure you paper stop everybody. If you don’t show positive control you’ll lose points there. ie- if guys are coming out of the terminal, have the H/S of AlPhA, that way India is clear to get the inbounds that land, back to the terminal. If you do paper stop- make sure you know the order in which they got to the RWY that way you know the order.
If you get Golf Kilo as your evaluator on GC- paper stop everybody! That dude will take off points just for shits and giggles.

That said, no reason you shouldn’t get a solid score of GC
 

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