Florida Surge

corn4ahead said:
I think we still have to take 2021 numbers with a grain of salt. Business travel will increase and rebound the numbers for many of those facilities. (ZNY, ZOB, ZAU, ZDC). The shift in numbers to southern facilities is quite astonishing though. It shows where the current demand is. Pretty cool.
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The southern facilities are booming, especially the Florida facilities. ZJX and ZMA always seemed to hover as top 5-7 but their traffic count has been steadily increasing for years, even pre Covid. But to your point, it’s kind of crazy to see a facility like ZNY still doing low numbers…at least by their standards.
 
redsphanatic said:
LevelYearAir CarrierAir TaxiGeneral AviationMilitaryTotalVFR Advisories
ZUA8202152,2931,3367,15853,467114,2542,619
JCF8202143,93325,79734,49793,883198,11029,286
ZSU92021136,36235,01531,6261,620204,62310,014
HCF112021323,31645,82121,82820,215411,18041,953
ZAN102021249,241180,23049,97767,580547,0286,305
ZBW112021608,491220,486167,46133,5591,029,99738,291
ZSE102021690,846116,030168,97366,0731,041,92245,539
ZLC102021855,979264,282231,38927,0031,378,65326,379
ZOA112021960,492183,153197,66475,2661,416,57580,029
ZAB102021991,209217,262280,71586,5661,575,75290,412
ZOB1220211,037,834294,961231,27822,0261,586,09915,559
ZKC112021956,611236,334340,25280,1041,613,30143,815
ZMP112021877,756381,352356,85533,7101,649,67333,164
ZNY1220211,178,321310,370235,07723,7201,747,48815,645
ZDV1020211,099,186361,250289,21430,9951,780,64524,736
ZID1220211,224,425239,876308,75827,0671,800,12631,824
ZAU1220211,233,664339,262287,50415,0301,875,46019,924
ZLA1220211,316,872255,447309,23748,3851,929,941109,978
ZDC1220211,255,834306,409292,48379,4381,934,16432,596
ZME1220211,204,525223,184434,877143,5172,006,10360,079
ZHU1120211,159,974282,483412,362167,1472,021,96655,692
ZFW1220211,245,757308,153398,089130,1612,082,16092,144
ZMA1120211,392,219300,919469,45425,4932,188,08568,894
ZJX1120211,409,279308,026537,724111,4782,366,50752,358
ZTL1220211,814,012349,072535,45468,2412,766,77950,470
Sub-Total for 202123,318,4315,786,5106,629,9061,531,74437,266,5911,077,705
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Where did you get this from? Thanks for posting.
 
corn4ahead said:
I think we still have to take 2021 numbers with a grain of salt. Business travel will increase and rebound the numbers for many of those facilities. (ZNY, ZOB, ZAU, ZDC). The shift in numbers to southern facilities is quite astonishing though. It shows where the current demand is. Pretty cool.
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I don’t think southern traffic will let off anytime soon it’s been building each year even before COVID and now everything is higher than 2019 levels so only means busier traffic all around.
 
Because the formula uses to determine facility level is whack. Why does GA only count for like half a point? Why does the size of the aircraft matter? Air transport vs. Cargo vs. GA etc. Towers get credit for crossing and/or converging runways even if they are never used. IMO core 30 towers are getting the best out of the complexity index.. nearly everyone else is getting screwed to various degrees. M98 is a 10 while MSP is a 11....? Please. I'm sure there are other oddities out there beyond M98, ZDV, ZJX
 
VFRs do not count for half a point. They count as 1.
IFRs get a weighted count because they require more ATC service. And justifiably, a VFR practice approaches get the same count as an IFR arrival/departure.

The aircraft size doesn't really matter. The aircraft fleet mix is what matters. If you're mixing fighter jets with skyhawks, you get a weighted credit for that vs a tower that just has air carriers with similar performance.

M98 got downgraded right before the pandemic, I believe MSP was slated to get downgraded soon after but just lucked out on the timing. Their level 10 is downgrade is coming.

I'm genuinely curious, aside from CLT, what other airports have crossing/converging RWYs that are rarely or never used?
 
fivebyfive said:
VFRs do not count for half a point. They count as 1.
IFRs get a weighted count because they require more ATC service. And justifiably, a VFR practice approaches get the same count as an IFR arrival/departure.

The aircraft size doesn't really matter. The aircraft fleet mix is what matters. If you're mixing fighter jets with skyhawks, you get a weighted credit for that vs a tower that just has air carriers with similar performance.

M98 got downgraded right before the pandemic, I believe MSP was slated to get downgraded soon after but just lucked out on the timing. Their level 10 is downgrade is coming.

I'm genuinely curious, aside from CLT, what other airports have crossing/converging RWYs that are rarely or never used?
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VFRs are .5 in enroute

julietoscar said:
I'm pretty sure it's because it's not just based on numbers but additional factors like complexity
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It’s based on an arbitrary formula that’s meant to represent complexity and fails miserably in some cases. Some facilities’ type of traffic gets over represented in the formula and some get screwed. The center issue is larger though because the union has allowed the agency to just ignore the requirements in the contract for Enroute Facility Pay Levels because apparently they can’t figure out how to count traffic in ERAM. Gave Lockheed 2 Billion dollars.
 
fivebyfive said:
VFRs do not count for half a point. They count as 1.
IFRs get a weighted count because they require more ATC service.
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When you run 6 VFRs in the pattern and work in/out 10 itinerant VFRs between then, and the only things you have to say to an IFR departure are “Cleared for takeoff” and “contact departure” after issuing many instructions to the many VFRs to keep them out of the IFRs way, I think the VFRs are absolutely receiving “more ATC service” than the IFRs ?
 

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