CPC reinstatements

[Caerbannog]

Nice update thanks. So they've taken everything good with cpc reinstatement and taken it away completely. Cool.

They won't even have a buffer period to implement the process either. Let's just eff a whole bunch of people that resigned on the understanding that they could use a process. Why not say hey by 2024 no ifs ands or buts about it this is the new process but we'll keep steaming along with the current one until then.

 

[TowerDonkey]

It definitely sucks that they are changing it, faa seems intent on people just being stuck and miserable and closing any loopholes that allow people to better thier situation.

That said..... anytime you quit a job to leverage your position, expecting to get it back can be an iffy proposition. I'm not a big In ThE pRiVaTe SeCtOr guy but.... let's be real here doing this in any other job you'd be lucky to even get a call back from HR, much less rehired with a promotion and locale change.

It was always a gamble, coming down on the losing side isn't getting screwed.

I took the gamble after being in the agency 14-plus years, level ten facility. Finally got the opportunity to move home, with my family. Turns out I suck at RADAR; the only facility I could get with NCEPT. NEST offered me nothing in the vicinity. Did my research about the Reinstatement. Networked. Got all of the ATM's at the local facilities to pursue hiring me. (2 level 4s, a 6 and a 10) Two weeks before I could reapply they implement this.

It's one thing to try to leverage your position and quit but this is hardly the case for me or several others I know who are going thru this. All I had expected was for them to honor the agreement that had been in place for 6 years. Worst case scenario I could return to my previous facility. Not anymore. Being screwed feels about right.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

The hiring processes have always been able to change on a whim. I'm not really sure why anyone quitting thought the reinstatement process would be any different, it's just another form of hiring.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I took the gamble after being in the agency 14-plus years, level ten facility. Finally got the opportunity to move home, with my family. Turns out I suck at RADAR; the only facility I could get with NCEPT. NEST offered me nothing in the vicinity. Did my research about the Reinstatement. Networked. Got all of the ATM's at the local facilities to pursue hiring me. (2 level 4s, a 6 and a 10) Two weeks before I could reapply they implement this.

It's one thing to try to leverage your position and quit but this is hardly the case for me or several others I know who are going thru this. All I had expected was for them to honor the agreement that had been in place for 6 years. Worst case scenario I could return to my previous facility. Not anymore. Being screwed feels about right.

Thats totally fair to say and yes that does suck.

Edit- didn't finish this thought.... but you acknowledge it was a gamble. 14 years in you gotta know the faa is gonna faa and in the current environment around moves and upward mobility shit going sideways on you wasn't out of the realm of possibility.

I do hope it works out for you, you seem to deserve it if anyone does. Time in ought to mean something. I'd be writing congressmen and shit.

 

[GulfCharlie]

I took the gamble after being in the agency 14-plus years, level ten facility. Finally got the opportunity to move home, with my family. Turns out I suck at RADAR; the only facility I could get with NCEPT. NEST offered me nothing in the vicinity. Did my research about the Reinstatement. Networked. Got all of the ATM's at the local facilities to pursue hiring me. (2 level 4s, a 6 and a 10) Two weeks before I could reapply they implement this.

It's one thing to try to leverage your position and quit but this is hardly the case for me or several others I know who are going thru this. All I had expected was for them to honor the agreement that had been in place for 6 years. Worst case scenario I could return to my previous facility. Not anymore. Being screwed feels about right.

It does suck but then again the FAA will do anything to shore up numbers. The Agency is betting people will be less inclined to leave now due to the fact the process has changed, and the bean counters have finally figured out that people will game the system. This is almost literally what happens to people in the NEST minus the 85% rule.

The agency is also betting on its prestige as opposed to contract facilities / Department of Defense jobs because in a lot of ways the agency does do things better. However what the agency has not taken into account is the flexibility DOD/contractor facilities give their employees in transferring and quality of life (more for DOD than contract).

With the Agency I never would have had a chance (unless you count years at my last facility and hope) of getting back to Florida/having straight days/keeping my retirement and clocking good time. Hell I keep applying for Germany as DOD and each time I get closer and closer to getting there, all for the chance to be closer to where my parents were and where parts of my family are. I’ll take family and quality of life over 140k + a year with 6/1’s hoping no one bids to ZNY fucking me out of a chance at a higher level.

 

[abc1234]

It definitely sucks that they are changing it, faa seems intent on people just being stuck and miserable and closing any loopholes that allow people to better thier situation.

That said..... anytime you quit a job to leverage your position, expecting to get it back can be an iffy proposition. I'm not a big In ThE pRiVaTe SeCtOr guy but.... let's be real here doing this in any other job you'd be lucky to even get a call back from HR, much less rehired with a promotion and locale change.

It was always a gamble, coming down on the losing side isn't getting screwed.

Any job in the private sector that has hundreds of locations in every state across the country typically has no problem letting people transfer around or start at a location that's preferable to them.

 

[showtime]

Same type?

Here is an email chain from a friend of mine who is, or maybe was, considering leaving the FAA. (Start at the bottom for chronological order)
I myself have about 30 days until my 12 months is up so this just hit me like a ton of bricks. I deleted names/contact info for the sake of not bombarding these people as I'm sure they are tired of answering the same questions over and over.



From:
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:47:07 AM
To >
Subject: RE: Reinstatement Questions



It’s going to remain 12 months to be eligible for other facilities and will be based on the date of the reinstatement request. Candidates will be allowed to request reinstatement once in a 12 month timeframe, so if a candidate requests reinstatement and declines the facility offered it will be 12 more months before the candidate will be considered again for reinstatement.



XXXXXXXX, Manager, ATO Technical Onboarding Team AJG-P23

Office: #########; Cell: 405-#######

Email: XXXXXXXXX@faa.gov





From >
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 2:36 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Reinstatement Questions



Got it. One last question, is the plan to extend the reinstatement time from 12 months to something longer? (If not returning to same facility)



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From:
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 2:32:48 PM
To:

Subject: RE: Reinstatement Questions



It’s based on nationwide staffing according to the priority placement tool. Whatever facilities of the same type and level (or lower level) are below 85% staff or the national staffing average will be available for you to rank preference. That could be across the whole country or only one service area. We won’t be able to predict it ahead of time. Facility choices will be determined once the candidate is cleared for employment.



XXXXXXXX, Manager, ATO Technical Onboarding Team AJG-P23

Office: #########; Cell: 405-#######

Email: XXXXXXXXX@faa.gov



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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 2:21 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Reinstatement Questions



Thank you so much for the clarification! Will there be any ability to choose a service area or region after 12 months, or is based on staffing at every facility across the country? Thank you again for the quick response!





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From:
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 1:26:59 PM
To

Cc:
Subject: RE: Reinstatement Questions



Good afternoon. You came to the right place. The reinstatement rules are changing as we speak. To be reinstated, you must have achieved CPC and have 52 weeks of certified experience within the last 5 years. You do not have to wait to be reinstated if you leave, however, it remains that if you wish to return within 12 months of leaving you will only be considered for the facility you left from if they have a hiring need. If you return after 12 months you can be considered for other facilities of the same type and level you have been previously certified at within the prior 5 years. You will not get to choose your facility. You will be offered facilities that have a priority need for staffing and you will choose from those.



The updated SOP is making the rounds for approval and should be ready to share in the next month… we hope.


XXXXXXXX, Manager, ATO Technical Onboarding Team AJG-P23

Office: #########; Cell: 405-#######

Email: XXXXXXXXX@faa.gov




From:

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 12:13 PM
To:
Subject: Reinstatement Questions



Hi-

I received your contact information from XXXXXXXXX, she said either of you may be a better source for information. I'm currently a CPC at XXXXX ATCT. I was hoping to get some information and clarification on the reinstatement process/time-line, should I decide to leave the agency for a bit. The last I heard, the reinstatement time was 12 months before I could reapply. However, there has been a lot of chatter and rumors going around that the time has been extended, or that all reinstatement are currently on hold. I was hoping to get facts so any decision I make isn't based off of the rumor mill.



Any information you can provide is greatly appreciated!



Thank you,

same type?…
So it sounds like you can no longer go from Enroute to tower?

 

[Phanatical]

Same type?

same type?…
So it sounds like you can no longer go from Enroute to tower?

No clue how particular they are going to want to be but the types are: ARTCC, Tower without Radar, TRACON, Tower with Radar Approach Control, Tower with Non-Radar Approach Control, Nonapproach Control Tower, Combined Control Facility, Tower with Radar, and Combined TRACON.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Any job in the private sector that has hundreds of locations in every state across the country typically has no problem letting people transfer around or start at a location that's preferable to them.

I agree 100 percent no arguments there. I'm saying specifically if you quit (not threaten, actually leave your job for a period of time) to leverage your position to do so your outcome may not go well in the private sector either. In fact I bet you get laughed out of most hr departments trying that, particularly if you are also trying to get a primo location and a big pay bump to boot.

totally agree the faa sucks giant balls at making sure employees have any sort of mobility.

 

[MikeyB]

I agree 100 percent no arguments there. I'm saying specifically if you quit (not threaten, actually leave your job for a period of time) to leverage your position to do so your outcome may not go well in the private sector either. In fact I bet you get laughed out of most hr departments trying that, particularly if you are also trying to get a primo location and a big pay bump to boot.

totally agree the faa sucks giant balls at making sure employees have any sort of mobility.

It was never about pay for me. Just wanted out of a toxic work culture, and mandatory 6 days. I left a level 12 ten months ago, with hopes of getting on at one of 3 facilities I had made in roads at. Those facilities where 8, 8, and a 7. Now im likely to be given the same damn facility, and im left with the choice of either abandoning a career 13 years in or sucking it up and having my family pay the price to continue. I knew full well going into it nothing was guaranteed, but it still sucks coming this far and having the rug pulled out from underneath me....

 

[BDUB]

Damn 5yrs wasted thanks FAA ? anyone know whose hiring ATC lol. Guess the airlines is a legit option just gotta go 80k in debt first

 

[caprisun]

So what happens if you’ve been out more than 5 yrs and life changes and you want to get back in? Is previous experience bud your only option?

I’m not familiar with those previous experience bids, if ones been a CPC for years and is just out for a while, do you have to return to the academy for training or straight to the facility?

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

So what happens if you’ve been out more than 5 yrs and life changes and you want to get back in? Is previous experience bud your only option?

I’m not familiar with those previous experience bids, if ones been a CPC for years and is just out for a while, do you have to return to the academy for training or straight to the facility?

Previous experience bids are straight to facility

 

[caprisun]

Just looking at a few of them I noticed your experience has to be within 5yrs and under 35years old, are they all like that?

It seems as if the reinstatement and the previous experience are essentially aligning.

 

[MikeyB]

Does anyone now what the unions involvement in this was, if any?

 

[sillyatc]

If you haven't noticed yet the union doesn't have a say in anything..they do like you to believe they do though.

 

[Acquired Taste]

It was never about pay for me. Just wanted out of a toxic work culture, and mandatory 6 days. I left a level 12 ten months ago, with hopes of getting on at one of 3 facilities I had made in roads at. Those facilities where 8, 8, and a 7. Now im likely to be given the same damn facility, and im left with the choice of either abandoning a career 13 years in or sucking it up and having my family pay the price to continue. I knew full well going into it nothing was guaranteed, but it still sucks coming this far and having the rug pulled out from underneath me....

Bro, don't even sweat it. It sounds like C90 got things turned around and it's really on the up and up around there now ? ?

 

[Peter Gibbons]

It was never about pay for me. Just wanted out of a toxic work culture, and mandatory 6 days. I left a level 12 ten months ago, with hopes of getting on at one of 3 facilities I had made in roads at. Those facilities where 8, 8, and a 7. Now im likely to be given the same damn facility, and im left with the choice of either abandoning a career 13 years in or sucking it up and having my family pay the price to continue. I knew full well going into it nothing was guaranteed, but it still sucks coming this far and having the rug pulled out from underneath me....

Again no disagreements some of you guys are getting dealt a shitty hand. That sucks.

In my time in the agency I've seen the faa change things on a whim with no regard for the workforce (and to put it lightly....not the level of input I'd like from natca) at every level and often enough that there's no way I'd quit without a rock solid plan B that I'd be happy and comfortable with for just this eventuality. That takes giant brass balls, props for doing what's right by yourself and your family, I get that more than you know, and I'd be lying if I said I'd never given it thought. And yes I totally see how that's easy to say with hindsight being 20/20.

I too keep my USAjobs profile up to date if you smell what I'm stepping in, but if I ever left (especially in a non 2152 job) I would be doing it with the expectation that my last day on the boards would be just that, and something I'd be okay with besides losing a bit of retirement on the back end, which honestly I'd do in exchange for no evenings weekends holidays, leave when I want it etc. If everything else met my needs. Coming back would always be a "maybe if I want to" thing and never a "I need this to happen or I'm screwed long term" thing.

Best of luck to all you guys getting the short end.

 

[BDUB]

Y’all think the people that came up with this stupid shit realize they just wrecked a lot of peoples livelihoods on a whim? Must feel nice to be making the big money to make those decisions that impact us peasants and not think anything of it lol

 

[Dolan]

I don't think the FAA had any idea that the reinstatment policy would turn into what it's become as far as people quitting to have a better chance at coming back somewhere more favorable. When it was announced it was like "hey for CPCs who left the job for whatever reason here's an avenue back into the agency that doesn't force you to wait for a bid"