We don't need to live in Naperville, there's new build homes that are going for 350-400k, and plenty of older homes in the 300k range. Who besides ARR or DPA is struggling to buy a home out here. Sure we pay more cause of interest rates but the housing market has also inflated. If you're saying the government should control housing prices I'm all about it
Something needs to be done about this career. We won’t get the same caliber of applicants the FAA attracted in the past due to the wages not increasing. If I graduated in 2024, no chance I pursue this job like I did in 2007. Zero, zilch, nada, cooked
With the amount of people who apply to each open bid this is not a problem for the foreseeable future. It’s hard to make this argument when 25k people apply. Also, when you can earn 100k-221k, with zero entry requirements, college, or any legitimate relevant job history, the same people will apply because they don’t truly know the conditions once in, and outsiders and congress will never be convinced because that is a lot of money. We will continue to get the same caliber we have now. Their answer currently is some cti schools will be getting hired directly to facilities in the near future, just like military direct hires.
It’s nice when you can link peoples reddit names to their .65 names.
How many people coming out of college do you think are making 110-250k. If less quality people are applying it isn't because of the money, it's because the placement system is unappealing as fuck. If you make level 7 pay and you're under 30 you're in the top like 25% of earners in the country for your age. People continue to apply to this job solely for the pay and benefits. Again, not saying they shouldn't be better, but to pretend that people at a level 12 in Chicago can't afford to buy homes is laughable
Why would you think I care?
If you are cpc by age 30 at a level 7, you are much closer to top 10 percent of earner, that’s without OT and differentials. That’l will easily put you in the top 10. Certainly if you are younger than 30 at cpc you are way above the average earner at your age. I completely agree about Chicago land at a 12 can’t afford a house haha.
Oh boy. Some people that have been in the agency for 4 years at a level 7 heads are about to explode
I don’t think you care. Why’d you think that? I just have most of atc2 mapped out now
Lots of people coming out of college are getting six figures. This is assuming a useful degree rather than some liberal arts crap.
Or you could not go to college and make 6 figures in atc
They're not though, percentage wise most people just are not making six figures out of college. Most engineering jobs aren't paying six figures out of college, and certainly not until you get your professional tests done are most people making six figures. You think most people with business degrees are even sniffing six figures?
Yeah the amount of houses between Algonquin and Geneva that are easily affordable on level 12 pay is insane. Not to mention the amount of houses if you want to live a bit further
And be stuck with one employer? Working 6 days a week? With little hope of living where you want?
Yup. If I knew I’d be stuck at a level 8 all my career, I would have pursued my dreams. I have so much regret. And management wonders why I’m so spicy towards them
The appeal of the job was the pay. A good portion of atc is not at 6 figures either. If other jobs are comparable pay after a few years of experience then why go atc?
When you are 18 and no debt. It’s a pretty good starting point in life.
a good portion? Do you know how many people are at level 10+ tower and enroute facilities?
