2024 NATCA President Election

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There are only two genders… and it ain’t determined by what you “feel.”

I’ll leave ya with that.
Boomers still rambling about Pluto being the 9th planet... sometimes what you learned growing up is different than reality. Sometimes things change over time. And sometime there is more nuance to life than what is taught to young children.

Genders were thought of as binary and immutable for a long time by the western world. That's changing. There are thousands of years of historical precedent for cultures who identify more than two genders. We are living in a time and place where your birth genetalia have less and less to do with your role in society and how the world sees you. You can either adapt, or not, but the world is changing regardless of your opinion.
 
Boomers still rambling about Pluto being the 9th planet... sometimes what you learned growing up is different than reality. Sometimes things change over time. And sometime there is more nuance to life than what is taught to young children.

Genders were thought of as binary and immutable for a long time by the western world. That's changing. There are thousands of years of historical precedent for cultures who identify more than two genders. We are living in a time and place where your birth genetalia have less and less to do with your role in society and how the world sees you. You can either adapt, or not, but the world is changing regardless of your opinion.

Nope. There are men and there are women. And then there are a bunch of confused people who believe that subjective feelings somehow change physical truth.

It’s that simple. God save children from ideologues like you who can’t even answer the basic question “how many genders are there?”
 
Nope. There are men and there are women. And then there are a bunch of confused people who believe that subjective feelings somehow change physical truth.

It’s that simple. God save children from ideologues like you who can’t even answer the basic question “how many genders are there?”
So why do you have to control those other people? Just let them do their thing and you do your thing. Isn’t that way freedom is supposed to be about?
 
So why do you have to control those other people? Just let them do their thing and you do your thing. Isn’t that way freedom is supposed to be about?
I'll wade into this, but not directly related to what you are asking. Tolerating people and how they live their lives is something I strongly believe in (we can debate what the limit is some other time), what I do not believe in is people telling me I have to accept something because someone else does. Now, I am very well aware of the broad implications of saying this but within context I trust everyone to be adults and understand.

I do not have to accept squat and I choose to tolerate certain things because I believe it to be within the spirit of the constitution and founding of this country, but do not come to me and tell me I have to accept something just because most people accept it and I should as well.
 
I'll wade into this, but not directly related to what you are asking. Tolerating people and how they live their lives is something I strongly believe in (we can debate what the limit is some other time), what I do not believe in is people telling me I have to accept something because someone else does. Now, I am very well aware of the broad implications of saying this but within context I trust everyone to be adults and understand.

I do not have to accept squat and I choose to tolerate certain things because I believe it to be within the spirit of the constitution and founding of this country, but do not come to me and tell me I have to accept something just because most people accept it and I should as well.
I don’t even think you need to accept it even. It’s the active banning of people living in a way that doesn’t affect anyone else they I have a problem with.
 
So why do you have to control those other people? Just let them do their thing and you do your thing. Isn’t that way freedom is supposed to be about?

These people are free to do whatever they want. They can dress however they want and request to be called whatever they want. I think you’ll find that this is overwhelmingly the conservative position (I can’t speak for everyone).

But in no way does that mean I must share in their delusion.

Why should I be forced to accept somebody for who they pretend to be when they couldn’t even accept themselves for who they were?

I find it mildly concerning that you interpret somebody simply disagreeing as an attempt to “control people.” I can see how life would be a shitshow with that outlook.
 
I don’t even think you need to accept it even. It’s the active banning of people living in a way that doesn’t affect anyone else they I have a problem with.
Again, I shall choose to intentionally remain vague but have a spirited discussion, the line is crossed (on both sides) when you tell someone "I am this way and I have a right to influence children." By all means live your life and in a perfect world everyone should be tolerant, but reaching out to kids and intentionally exposing them to a certain life styles is sort of at my limit. By no means am I advocating hatred, bigotry, or any sort of action against such people, but let kids live their life and enjoy their childhood.

When you are a legal adult, more power to on how you want to live your life.
 
Again, I shall choose to intentionally remain vague but have a spirited discussion, the line is crossed (on both sides) when you tell someone "I am this way and I have a right to influence children." By all means live your life and in a perfect world everyone should be tolerant, but reaching out to kids and intentionally exposing them to a certain life styles is sort of at my limit. By no means am I advocating hatred, bigotry, or any sort of action against such people, but let kids live their life and enjoy their childhood.

When you are a legal adult, more power to on how you want to live your life.
Totally agree, we shouldn't have to expose our kids to interracial marriages. Let people love who they want to love, just do it in silence and out of the public view.

Not hateful at all.
 
Totally agree, we shouldn't have to expose our kids to interracial marriages. Let people love who they want to love, just do it in silence and out of the public view.

Not hateful at all.

It’s disingenuous bullshit like this which makes having any meaningful conversation impossible with people like you.

You know damn well what is being discussed but then you throw in some horseshit about race? What???

Go fuck yourself. Everybody knows what you’re doing including yourself and it’s disgusting. Apparently that’s what you have to do though… if you apparently support exposing children to sexuality and explicit content, ya gotta razzle-dazzle the crowd with some accusation of racism to distract.
 
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So you agree, per that Carlin quote, that there is a need to "fight discrimination" and that there is a need for a better "method for solving problems that go much deeper than speech" then? And that political correctness is simply the wrong means of fighting those issues?
 
It’s disingenuous bullshit like this which makes having any meaningful conversation impossible with people like you.

You know damn well what is being discussed but then you throw in some horseshit about race? What???

Go fuck yourself. Everybody knows what you’re doing including yourself and it’s disgusting. Apparently that’s what you have to do though… if you apparently support exposing children to sexuality and explicit content, ya gotta razzle-dazzle the crowd with some accusation of racism to distract.
It's embarrassing to be found with your pants down and your hypocrisy on display. I understand your anger.

Teaching kids that gay marriage exists is not more lewd than teaching them straight marriage exists. Your rage filled newsfeed has you frightened that kindergarten teachers are teaching kids how to give blowjobs.

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”
Loving v. Virginia

This wasn't that long ago. Let's try to be nicer to people. Maybe go from "tolerance" to "acceptance". I accept that you see the world a different way than I do. What I don't accept is you binding others to an arbitrary interpretation of what your religion says. Nobody else should have to follow your religious rules. This country was literally founded on independence from religious government.
 
Why should I be forced to accept somebody for who they pretend to be when they couldn’t even accept themselves for who they were?
Why should I be forced to accept that "JD Vance" is really "JD Vance" when he can't even accept that he was "James Donald Bowman"?

Who someone says they are is who they are. Simple as that.

reaching out to kids and intentionally exposing them to a certain life styles is sort of at my limit.
"Certain life styles" are always exposing themselves to kids. When a teacher says "Last week I was Miss Jones, but now I'm Mrs. Smith" that's exposing kids to a life style. When Mrs. Smith comes to work pregnant that's exposing kids to a life style. When Shrek and Fiona kiss in the movie that's exposing kids to a lifestyle.

You've always been exposing kids to "certain life styles." Now they're seeing that there are other life styles besides the default one. I have no issue with that.
 
Why should I be forced to accept that "JD Vance" is really "JD Vance" when he can't even accept that he was "James Donald Bowman"?

Who someone says they are is who they are. Simple as that.

Do you REALLY need somebody to explain to you the difference between a name and a gender? Like really?

Who somebody says they are is who they are? Simple as that.……Ok. I’m your father. I thought I raised you better than this. I’m very disappointed in you.

No? So who somebody claims they are doesn’t always have a basis in reality? Ok got it. Glad we cleared that up.
 
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