2024 NATCA President Election

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Y'know what, yes. Please explain to me the difference between a name and a gender as it relates to someone's societal interactions. Please DO NOT bring biological sex into the discussion; just name and gender.

Ok. I’m your father.
We've been talking about identity, who someone is relative to themselves. Of course that isn't the same as relationships, who someone is relative to other people.

But since you bring it up, adoption exists... even here it's possible to redefine who we are.
 
Boomers still rambling about Pluto being the 9th planet... sometimes what you learned growing up is different than reality. Sometimes things change over time. And sometime there is more nuance to life than what is taught to young children.

Genders were thought of as binary and immutable for a long time by the western world. That's changing. There are thousands of years of historical precedent for cultures who identify more than two genders. We are living in a time and place where your birth genetalia have less and less to do with your role in society and how the world sees you. You can either adapt, or not, but the world is changing regardless of your opinion.
Agree to a degree on the second point there but think you all look at it the wrong way.

But mainly why the fuck is anyone arguing or talking about any of this stupid shit on an air traffic forum?? Go to reddit or somewhere else to voice your political concerns and keep this at least somewhat related to the career field
 
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Transgender persons in the studied period of time were 4x more likely to be victims of violent crime.

Lgbtq+ hate crimes are growing year after year. In part, due to hateful and dehumanizing rhetoric. Cool photos though.

That is awful. No group should face hate. No group should be victimized by violent crime.

While tragic, it doesn't change the fact that there are men, there are women, and you cannot magically change from one to another because you declare yourself a different "gender." The false concept of "gender" does not and will never override the object truth of your sex. You could take the most adamant transgender person who has undergone every surgery, every treatment, etc etc. and 100 years from now, dig up their bones. Science would tell you that they were either a man or a woman... not whatever it is they claimed to be. Fact.

I hope transgenders get the help they truly need. I hope they can accept themselves for who they are, not for what their brain is telling them they should be.
 

Transgender persons in the studied period of time were 4x more likely to be victims of violent crime.

Lgbtq+ hate crimes are growing year after year. In part, due to hateful and dehumanizing rhetoric. Cool photos though.
Article written by a nobody obsessed with LGBT whom also spreads the hoax of the “Don’t Say Gay Bill”


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That is awful. No group should face hate. No group should be victimized by violent crime.

While tragic, it doesn't change the fact that there are men, there are women, and you cannot magically change from one to another because you declare yourself a different "gender." The false concept of "gender" does not and will never override the object truth of your sex. You could take the most adamant transgender person who has undergone every surgery, every treatment, etc etc. and 100 years from now, dig up their bones. Science would tell you that they were either a man or a woman... not whatever it is they claimed to be. Fact.

I hope transgenders get the help they truly need. I hope they can accept themselves for who they are, not for what their brain is telling them they should be.
What you guys apparently can't wrap your dumb heads around is that gender identity and biological sex are two entirely separate things.
Sometimes people use gender to refer to sex, which can be confusing, but it's really not that confusing... for most of us anyway.
 
That is awful. No group should face hate. No group should be victimized by violent crime.

While tragic, it doesn't change the fact that there are men, there are women, and you cannot magically change from one to another because you declare yourself a different "gender." The false concept of "gender" does not and will never override the object truth of your sex. You could take the most adamant transgender person who has undergone every surgery, every treatment, etc etc. and 100 years from now, dig up their bones. Science would tell you that they were either a man or a woman... not whatever it is they claimed to be. Fact.

I hope transgenders get the help they truly need. I hope they can accept themselves for who they are, not for what their brain is telling them they should be.
Stop replying to these people. They are too far gone
 
Stop replying to these people. They are too far gone

Brother. I needed this haha... what's that saying? Debating a fool is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon will knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and then strut around like it won.

What you guys apparently can't wrap your dumb heads around is that gender identity and biological sex are two entirely separate things.
Sometimes people use gender to refer to sex, which can be confusing, but it's really not that confusing... for most of us anyway.

Define "woman."
 
Crazy this is even being discussed in an ATC forum, but I agree that I'm uncomfortable with this "movement" being forced onto children and seeped into our healthcare system. What I don't like is being referred to as a "birthing person" "chest/body feeder" and "cis-woman" in order to not offend 0.5% of the population that is transgender. I am a woman, not everyone is gay nor transgender, and not everyone NEEDS to be on the lgbtq spectrum nor be accepting of an obvious man with long hair claiming to be a woman.

Idgaf what you do with your own body, but don't make my children be apart of your issues and don't make the entire world bend to your delusions. It's gone too far. I'm hoping to see a turning point soon too because all these chemicals being pumped into these people's bodies is not healthy. Can't change DNA.
 
there are men, there are women
Can't change DNA.
Y'all keep dodging this so I'm going to keep bringing it up. Even if you adamantly define "gender=sex" there are STILL more options than just those two. They're rare but they do in fact exist.

You yammering online that "there are only two" doesn't change the fact that, for example, there are people who have XY genes, but their cells don't respond to androgens. These people develop male-appearing gonads which do not become external; their external genitalia appear female, their breasts appear female, their hips appear female, but if you take a microscope to their cells you see XY chromosomes. It's a super-rare condition but when there are four billion XY people on the planet even this super-rare condition comes out to tens of thousands of people.

Who are you to say to someone who grew up without a penis, someone who developed female body type, someone who has been told all their life "you are a girl," that they are NOT in fact a girl?

don't make my children be apart of your issues
Your children are already part of these issues. They are growing up in a world which has trans people in it. The world is a confusing and complicated place so we simplify things when we can, and then later on we explain that actually there's more to the story.

In elementary school we tell students that you can't take the square root of a negative number. Then when they get to high school we introduce the concept of imaginary numbers using the square root of –1. Are we lying to the 5th graders? Are we lying to the 10th graders? No to both, we're just teaching piece-by-piece.

(Though I will say that young children can be extremely adaptable and understanding. "We thought your cousin was a girl but it turns out we were wrong, he's actually a boy." "Oh okay. Can I have a cookie now?" Not everything has to be a big scary deal.)

Maybe some time in the future one of your children will realize that they themselves are trans. If that happens are you going to disown them, berate them, tell them they're worthless or sinful or an abomination? Or are you going to accept them for who they tell you they are?

What I don't like is being referred to as a "birthing person" "chest/body feeder" and "cis-woman" in order to not offend 0.5% of the population that is transgender.
That is a very fair point and I respect it. Again your identity is your identity just as someone else's identity is theirs, and when we try to categorize a large group of people there will be some terms that apply better than others. This is a difficult topic and not one I'm very well qualified to discuss. I do tend to agree with your stance—we shouldn't bend over backwards to come up with new terms just for the sake of it, especially when the old terms apply to the vast majority of people. But, but, but. It is difficult and complicated, no argument on that.
 
Who are you to say to someone who grew up without a penis, someone who developed female body type, someone who has been told all their life "you are a girl," that they are NOT in fact a girl?

What is a woman? Write us a definition. Not a speech. Not a convoluted diatribe.. as if you were putting it into a dictionary. What is a woman?
 
  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth
So because a woman can be a real female and also at the same time, a non female claiming to be a female… Meaning anyone at any given time can be a woman… There really is no such thing as a woman.

Congratulations, you’ve reduced womanhood to a costume.
 
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