Correct. Plenty of people do. A lot more are in the 250k+ club.
ZOA has tons of people over 300 tho, capped ZOA, working sundays, holidays, 450 hours of OT makes 340k.
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ZOA has tons of people over 300 tho, capped ZOA, working sundays, holidays, 450 hours of OT makes 340k.
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So a shit ton of OT
I'm sitting at 350 hours for OT, certified about 2 years ago at a 12, not high CIP/mid Locality pre-tax earnings for me are going to be about $230k this year, take home will be about $144k. Definitely plenty of people making far far more than me.
Lower levels definitely need a raise more than I do, but you can't ruin the incentive to move up levels.
Lower levels definitely need a raise more than I do, but you can't ruin the incentive to move up levels.
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If $300-350k/yr isn't enough at ZOA how the f**k do the controllers at all the surrounding low-level towers in the Bay Area survive? Or the rampers/gate agents making $20/hr? Are guys at places like PAO living in RVs or commuting 2+ hours each way?
ZOA actually seems like a great setup for single guys or DINKs that are cool with renting a small place or condo/townhouse life. That's higher than most tech salaries aside from a handful of superstars, managers, or people that got windfall bonuses/stock (my brother is in tech in the area and his total comp is around $250k/yr).
Bay Area despite its warts has some good stuff going for it, and even if you're paying $3k/month in rent that still leaves a lot of gravy left over.
ZOA actually seems like a great setup for single guys or DINKs that are cool with renting a small place or condo/townhouse life. That's higher than most tech salaries aside from a handful of superstars, managers, or people that got windfall bonuses/stock (my brother is in tech in the area and his total comp is around $250k/yr).
Bay Area despite its warts has some good stuff going for it, and even if you're paying $3k/month in rent that still leaves a lot of gravy left over.
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Stop normalizing OT into our salary. It’s not our salary
I’m not normalizing it. Just stating some facts
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The OT dries up real fast once you get some staffing.
Sure does
It's because most of these people are living very well but acting like they don't. They're just liars. Or they leave out some key info like divorces/alimony.
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I wish. Just over 85% staffed here, everyone still works 6 day work weeks, and we still have shifts that are 3-4 below guides.
So about that crwg number....
What I over heard of this program is that people are getting hired direct for a facility. They go to RTF then if successful go to that facility. If able to certify down stairs them go back OKC for tower if need be and its a pass pass.
If people are not pre assigned a facility the facilities with bad reputation will remain unselected by grads.
This no direct grads to 8-9 is crazy.
BNA AUS were mentioned as badly staffed. There are worse way worse. Like places with 0 trainees.
The MOU’s that take people from bad staffed facilities is a bad thing I agree.
Yet its been the only way out for many with 6+ years waiting for transfer and watch others come and go.
The facility info on the list is so skewed.
Counting sups that are in training as a number and people who are leaving as a cpc and same person as an outbound.
Seems like manipulation of percentages.
If people are not pre assigned a facility the facilities with bad reputation will remain unselected by grads.
This no direct grads to 8-9 is crazy.
BNA AUS were mentioned as badly staffed. There are worse way worse. Like places with 0 trainees.
The MOU’s that take people from bad staffed facilities is a bad thing I agree.
Yet its been the only way out for many with 6+ years waiting for transfer and watch others come and go.
The facility info on the list is so skewed.
Counting sups that are in training as a number and people who are leaving as a cpc and same person as an outbound.
Seems like manipulation of percentages.
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My rep said my facility has volunteered to be a test facility to take CTI direct hires. Level 12 tracon.
They definitely rig the numbers to present the best possible metrics. HR needs to go. Replace it with medically DQed controllers so that we can have people in there who know the score and what’s needed to fix things.
The faa as a org would rather have falsified numbers that say everything is going great, than actual numbers that reflect reality but are bad. There is an institutional aversion to reporting bad news to your boss, and that’s the first thing that needs to be fixed. How can the higher ups be expected to fix things, when everyone from the FLM level to the district managers are are gundecking their reports to make everything seem as rosy as possible?
One of the only things that make sense about why things are so bad and have been for so long without any real change of course is that the people at the top don’t have a realistic picture of what’s going on in the field. And then of course, I’m sure none of them really want to know the ugly truth, and so the can is kicked down the road for at least another ATO COO.
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I work at a 12, worked 200 hours of OT, I train, I’m a CIC, and this year and I’m going to gross about $210k. The only way anyone is going over $300k is some combination of working 6 10s, being near the Pay cap, or having a high COLA with CIP.
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Yea, level 12 some OT with holidays and a 20s cip... might clear 190k
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Cap at SF locality is over 220k base pay.
I think alot of people dont understand how insane cost of living in the SF Bay Area is. $100k or damn close to it is legally considered low income in many of those counties.
People at ZOA shouldn't be banking on 6 day work weeks just to get by. Thats how we've ended up in this current situation where trainees are literally quitting because theyre showing up and realizing they're completely boned, with no hope to get out of there, and if you do pass training, youre stuck forever renting your $3k+ 1 bedroom apartment, or commuting an hour + each way.
I have no idea what the people at PAO,RHV, or SJC do to get by.
Doesnt mean we dont all need a raise, but I think its fair to recognize people in these kinds of areas have been completely screwed by this contract. We need a real god damn raise. Not an MOU, or some other BS, but a real raise. Otherwise, good luck getting trainees to stick around.
People at ZOA shouldn't be banking on 6 day work weeks just to get by. Thats how we've ended up in this current situation where trainees are literally quitting because theyre showing up and realizing they're completely boned, with no hope to get out of there, and if you do pass training, youre stuck forever renting your $3k+ 1 bedroom apartment, or commuting an hour + each way.
I have no idea what the people at PAO,RHV, or SJC do to get by.
Doesnt mean we dont all need a raise, but I think its fair to recognize people in these kinds of areas have been completely screwed by this contract. We need a real god damn raise. Not an MOU, or some other BS, but a real raise. Otherwise, good luck getting trainees to stick around.
Aka…ZOA. But like I said, lots of people over 250k and even more over 200k like yourself.
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Amen.
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They put in for paperwork to ZOA and pray. HWD can release occasionally, OAK is screwed in getting people because its an 8 and people prefer not to get their cars bipped. At a minimum a decent house is like a million bucks and most controllers were lucky to get sub 3% rates back then.
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