August 2025

[SquawkHijack]

You can on USA jobs. Why are we being blocked from openings we qualify for.

This is true. I’ve put in for several bids between staff support, TMU and even a few sup bids where I want to go. Never gotten an interview until our staffing was approaching the mid 80%s… and they can’t tell me that out of all the bids I’ve applied for that they’ve never interviewed anyone. They’re supposed to interview all or none of the applicants. Pretty sure an investigation by the Merit System Protection Board would fuck most district GMs up pretty good as most of them do some slimy, shady shit when it comes to hiring. They’re definitely tossing applications in the trash if they look and see you aren’t releasable and they’ll tell you they selected someone because of “more experience and a better fit for the role.”

 

[Shikaka]

This is true. I’ve put in for several bids between staff support, TMU and even a few sup bids where I want to go. Never gotten an interview until our staffing was approaching the mid 80%s… and they can’t tell me that out of all the bids I’ve applied for that they’ve never interviewed anyone. They’re supposed to interview all or none of the applicants. Pretty sure an investigation by the Merit System Protection Board would fuck most district GMs up pretty good as most of them do some slimy, shady shit when it comes to hiring. They’re definitely tossing applications in the trash if they look and see you aren’t releasable and they’ll tell you they selected someone because of “more experience and a better fit for the role.”

They do this legally, they can't catch shit for it because if they need a body in 6 months to fill the vacancy but you're facility won't let you go for 2 years then you aren't eligible for the position.

It's bullshit, but thats their reasoning and its legitimate.

 

[Move78]

Ok I obviously mean redoing the whole thing.

If there was no NRP what would you change about NCEPT?

 

[SquawkHijack]

They do this legally, they can't catch shit for it because if they need a body in 6 months to fill the vacancy but you're facility won't let you go for 2 years then you aren't eligible for the position.

It's bullshit, but thats their reasoning and it’s legitimate.

True, but I’m pretty sure they have to actually substantiate that they promptly need a body in 6 months instead of just pulling that out of a hat as an alibi to potential nepotism. Plus, if selected your current manager cannot hold you for more than a year. The only way they can is if you consent to it. And again, needing to fill a spot promptly or not, they still have to interview all or no applicants. And my particular experience after applying to several bids cannot be a coincidence.

 

[32andBelow]

If there was no NRP what would you change about NCEPT?

I would have zero formal transfer program.

 

[Move78]

This is true. I’ve put in for several bids between staff support, TMU and even a few sup bids where I want to go. Never gotten an interview until our staffing was approaching the mid 80%s… and they can’t tell me that out of all the bids I’ve applied for that they’ve never interviewed anyone. They’re supposed to interview all or none of the applicants. Pretty sure an investigation by the Merit System Protection Board would fuck most district GMs up pretty good as most of them do some slimy, shady shit when it comes to hiring. They’re definitely tossing applications in the trash if they look and see you aren’t releasable and they’ll tell you they selected someone because of “more experience and a better fit for the role.”

You can blame staffing all you want but if you FOIA the deviation lists you’ll see they’ve pulled a million billion (+-5) out of red buildings. Maybe if you can’t read an MOU you can’t do any of those jobs. Maybe look in the mirror.

I would have zero formal transfer program.

So how would it work. More details

 

[Shikaka]

So how would it work. More details

 

[32andBelow]

So how would it work. More details

They would post openings and then qualified candidates could apply to them. And if they have trouble filling certain openings they can start incentivizing them. Like every other job in the country.

 

[SquawkHijack]

You can blame staffing all you want but if you FOIA the deviation lists you’ll see they’ve pulled a million billion (+-5) out of red buildings. Maybe if you can’t read an MOU you can’t do any of those jobs. Maybe look in the mirror.

When were these deviation lists you saw FOIA’d, 2018? This is untrue. The agency has significantly dialed back on staffing deviations specifically to release controllers on bids in the last 2 years. Have you not seen anyone else in here talking about how going the OS, SSS or TMU route isn’t an option anymore? About the only
way to strongarm into being an SSS is to make up some bullshit and give up your medical. I would like to add that I think this is an exemplary time to point out to you, of all people, as to why CRWG was a fucking retarded idea.

 

[Gauff]

If there was no NRP what would you change about NCEPT?

It should be seniority based would be a big thing. I could see an argument for level caps when it comes to transferring too

 

[32andBelow]

It should be seniority based would be a big thing. I could see an argument for level caps when it comes to transferring too

NO CAPS!

 

[LennyA21]

It should be seniority based would be a big thing. I could see an argument for level caps when it comes to transferring too

Caps are silly.

I believe if the last 12-13 controllers we sent directly to a 12, this includes every type of 12, only 1 has not been successful. Why would those dozen people need to go somewhere else they don’t want to be for years and maybe not get out of, to eventually get where they want to be?

 

[Phillytroll69]

Caps are silly.

I believe if the last 12-13 controllers we sent directly to a 12, this includes every type of 12, only 1 has not been successful. Why would those dozen people need to go somewhere else they don’t want to be for years and maybe not get out of, to eventually get where they want to be?

It should be a streamlined process. New hires go to DLH, that guy that wants to leave DLH goes where he wants. Then when they want to leave someone fills there spot. Currently you can only leave after 12 years at a level 10+ facility

 

[Soul_Controller]

The ERR process won't go anywhere because it cuts red tape and requires less resources than bids. That benefits the FAA and the union. Especially since the union has direct involvement via NCEPT.

But that also shows the negatives of collaboration. The union has more power now than in the old system, but now it shares ownership of all the problems NCEPT created.

 

[Bandit117]

The ERR process won't go anywhere because it cuts red tape and requires less resources than bids. That benefits the FAA and the union. Especially since the union has direct involvement via NCEPT.

But that also shows the negatives of collaboration. The union has more power now than in the old system, but now it shares ownership of all the problems NCEPT created.

It also benefits the agency because they don’t have to throw in PCS for bids. People are now falling over themselves to do for free what the agency used to pay them for

 

[KP-ATC]

If there was no NRP what would you change about NCEPT?

Allowing facilities to say no to people transferring there would be a huge help.

 

[Gauff]

Caps are silly.

I believe if the last 12-13 controllers we sent directly to a 12, this includes every type of 12, only 1 has not been successful. Why would those dozen people need to go somewhere else they don’t want to be for years and maybe not get out of, to eventually get where they want to be?

I don't really disagree but I I kinda view it as a path of how career progression should go, but if we started making it seniority based that'd get rid of that. And it seems they've started sending new hires to mid level facilities but in the past the only way to get anyone in training at a mid level was NCEPT and people will wait to go to that 12 most of the time. That would be the big reason for level caps imo, just to level staffing to some degree

Level caps are stupid though if they're used for the sake of experience because there are plenty of lvl 8s and 9s people from a 5/6/7 really struggle at and have high washout rates and then you have places like DEN. Levels really don't dictate difficulty.

 

[Move78]

When were these deviation lists you saw FOIA’d, 2018? This is untrue. The agency has significantly dialed back on staffing deviations specifically to release controllers on bids in the last 2 years. Have you not seen anyone else in here talking about how going the OS, SSS or TMU route isn’t an option anymore? About the only
way to strongarm into being an SSS is to make up some bullshit and give up your medical. I would like to add that I think this is an exemplary time to point out to you, of all people, as to why CRWG was a fucking retarded idea.

You goin on make believe feels or you got any data? FOIA the list. It’s huge, it’s not just 7 years ago.

Allowing facilities to say no to people transferring there would be a huge help.

This is the opposite of the seniority guy’s post Gauff

They would post openings and then qualified candidates could apply to them. And if they have trouble filling certain openings they can start incentivizing them. Like every other job in the country.

This is in fact a transfer process. Maybe you don’t want to name it for PR idk. It’s also almost exactly how NCEPT would just work as written without an NRP.

It also benefits the agency because they don’t have to throw in PCS for bids. People are now falling over themselves to do for free what the agency used to pay them for

The agency has sent so many people to where they don’t want go over the past 9 years that they don’t need PCS regardless of what you name the transfer process

It should be a streamlined process. New hires go to DLH, that guy that wants to leave DLH goes where he wants. Then when they want to leave someone fills there spot. Currently you can only leave after 12 years at a level 10+ facility

Buddy this is really close to what we have now. And obviously not everyone can just go where they want. Not even close to everyone.

Caps are silly.

I believe if the last 12-13 controllers we sent directly to a 12, this includes every type of 12, only 1 has not been successful. Why would those dozen people need to go somewhere else they don’t want to be for years and maybe not get out of, to eventually get where they want to be?

Caps are silly and the levels are make believe.

 

[Pickle Switch]

You can blame staffing all you want but if you FOIA the deviation lists you’ll see they’ve pulled a million billion (+-5) out of red buildings. Maybe if you can’t read an MOU you can’t do any of those jobs. Maybe look in the mirror.

Maybe in your district but we have been told that deviations cannot and are not being done. So who exactly am I supposed to believe?

 

[Phillytroll69]

Buddy this is really close to what we have now. And obviously not everyone can just go where they want. Not even close to everyone.

It isn't close.