NCEPT debate thread

[ATCNOMAD]

As was mentioned he has no control over return rights so you should have told him to suck return rights out of your dick. It was probably a level five up/down.

Even worse. Level 5 tower only lol. Maybe I should of fired back at him. I just didn't care enough to do so. I'm not the usual type A controller, I'm a chill dude. His frustration with me and the smile on my face leaving was good enough.

 

[Dolan]

Or shitty management to hate on you and hurt your chances because they are petty. I transferred a couple months ago. On my last day my ATM (who was an incompetent ass hole) basically told me how horrible an employee I was and pretty much said without saying it that I didn't deserve the opportunity I was getting. He then said if I wash out he would make sure I wouldn't be able to use return rights to transfer back. This coming from someone who was HORRIBLE at their job. ATMs like him is why its good they don't have a say in it

I'm not sure why you're quoting the post that quoted mine but in what I laid out management would have 0 say

 

[Phillyman2633]

Even worse. Level 5 tower only lol. Maybe I should of fired back at him. I just didn't care enough to do so. I'm not the usual type A controller, I'm a chill dude. His frustration with me and the smile on my face leaving was good enough.

Problem solved

 

[tskiman]

Anyone have any updates?

 

[JNev]

I feel like someone would post them if they had any. Anxious too but all we can do is wait

 

[PushingTin]

The leader of NCEPT promises no one will work harder than him! And all goals will be exceeded. So im sure it will be solved soon. Maybe this week?

 

[MJ]

Word from the grapevine is “frivolous” ERRs is the issue causing an impasse.

 

[Move78]

Word from the grapevine is “frivolous” ERRs is the issue causing an impasse.

What does that mean? Honest question.
They mean ERRs that are getting filled by the agency and then turned down by the employee?

 

[PushingTin]

One man's frivolity is another's prison escape plan.

 

[DL0509]

What does that mean? Honest question.
They mean ERRs that are getting filled by the agency and then turned down by the employee?

Why put in an ERR for places you don't want to go to, I've never understood that.

 

[twn]

Why put in an ERR for places you don't want to go to, I've never understood that.

How does the FAA police that? Something like you get x amount of err requests per year??

 

[CaptainObvious]

How does the FAA police that? Something like you get x amount of err requests per year??

How could they justify that? And what constitutes “frivolous”? The person that they sent somewhere like Napa or Aspen that just wants to leave and don’t care where they go?

 

[ajmezz]

Probably more along the lines of people like that dbag over on reddit that puts in err’s and then turns them down to block people from leaving.

 

[7four11]

Had a supe tell me “If I was still a controller (had only been a supe for 10 months or so) I would bid the top 10 every time and then turn it down...I worked short staffed, so I’d block everyone from leaving so I could still get my leave”...well good thing you’re not a controller anymore, bud.

 

[PushingTin]

Probably more along the lines of people like that dbag over on reddit that puts in err’s and then turns them down to block people from leaving.

There are a lot of ppl who do this and use ERRs as a weapon. Its dirty and severely effects peoples lives. I wouldn't mind if there was some punitive measure for getting an ERR then turning it down.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

There are a lot of ppl who do this and use ERRs as a weapon. Its dirty and severely effects peoples lives. I wouldn't mind if there was some punitive measure for getting an ERR then turning it down.

I agree, I wish this was high school, I would take people who turn down offers behind the gym and kick their ass. - Joe Biden, 2017

 

[Respected Path]

If by frivolous they mean people who turn down ERR's after being selected by the panel, then barring people from the ERR process for a year after they turn it down would put an end to most of that. I dont think either side would have a problem with this so there's got to be more to it than this.

 

[Phillyman2633]

I wouldn't mind if there was some punitive measure for getting an ERR then turning it down.

If you get caught filing ERRs to block other people leaving your facility, you have to, at a minimum, suffer the indignity of your wife coming to an air traffic controller forum to ask for marital advice.

 

[7four11]

If by frivolous they mean people who turn down ERR's after being selected by the panel, then barring people from the ERR process for a year after they turn it down would put an end to most of that. I dont think either side would have a problem with this so there's got to be more to it than this.

They should block “turn-downs” from a certain number of panels...with the “new” unknown schedule of how frequent panels will meet...for example, put them on a no ERR list for 3 panels and who knows how long they will be out...in the past, with the panel meeting every quarter, they are out 3 quarters...what we are looking at now, maybe a year and a half or more.

 

[CF]

Could have a system where you are penalized for turning one down unless you can submit proof that it's actually a legit thing keeping you there. They could come up with reasons that are "approved" beforehand and then require documentation when turning it down.

Realize it's still open to abuse but I think they have to do something.