Hiring Bid FAA-ATO-20-ALLSRCE-65607

[XM]

Pool 2, Q, Referred. Mad about it haha

Haha, I can understand. My first time taking it and I only got Qualified. Looking back, I know what I can improve on but that doesn't necessarily mean I'll get a better score ? I updated my Excel spreadsheet, attached if anyone wants it. Maybe we'll all get picked up ?

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Just my two cents, but don’t try and analyze/overthink the scoring and selection process. Nobody knows how the FAA grades the test or how they ultimately make TOL selections. Heck up until a few years ago they didn’t even tell you what band you were in, you were just referred/not referred. Trying to find some type of pattern or comparing your results with others is only going to stress you out and confuse you. The best advice that was given to me that I’ll echo for you guys is: check to see if you were referred, and then just forget you even applied. If it’s meant to be, you’ll open your email to find a lovely letter from the FAA in a few months.

 

[ChuckMastaT]

Haha, I can understand. My first time taking it and I only got Qualified. Looking back, I know what I can improve on but that doesn't necessarily mean I'll get a better score ? I updated my Excel spreadsheet, attached if anyone wants it. Maybe we'll all get picked up ?

This is my 3rd test, and I was well qualified the past 2 bids. Thats why i'm mad about it haha

 

[XM]

This is my 3rd test, and I was well qualified the past 2 bids. Thats why i'm mad about it haha

Yeah I definitely understand then! Just when you think you did better.......BAAAM!

 

[LTB83]

Really interested to see how selections are made in this bid since the 10% rule does not apply.

I feel stupid for asking, but 10%?

 

[XM]

I feel stupid for asking, but 10%?

See here:

ATC Hiring Reform Act of 2019

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pointsixtyfive.com

 

[LTB83]

See here:

ATC Hiring Reform Act of 2019

The Air Traffic Controller Resource. ATC forums dedicated to sharing information and building an online community.

pointsixtyfive.com

Holy hell.

I forgot all about this...dealing with everyday life stuff but thank you.

Sucks that it won't be apart this bid but hey, keeping my fingers crossed. Just turned 27 two weeks ago, so I have still have a little time.

 

[GodHelpMe]

Hey everyone,

So I was a little eager and bored at work this morning so I had some time to compile an Excel spreadsheet of our scores and pools for this bid. I think I got everyone that posted here that were able to test. If you have Excel, you can sort however you want it, but I have it sorted by Pool and then Score. For some people on this forum, I was not able to determine or find what Pool they were considered, so I placed Question Marks in for their Pool, but still recorded what data I knew. Thought this could really help us get a visual of what our scores look like for this bid.

Holy. Almost everyone's been referred.

See here:

ATC Hiring Reform Act of 2019

The Air Traffic Controller Resource. ATC forums dedicated to sharing information and building an online community.

pointsixtyfive.com

so people from p2 with BQ wouldn’t be considered until p1 fills up most positions? So people from P1 with Q WQ that got referred have a higher chance of getting a TOL than people from p2 BQ?!!?

 

[zulululu]

so people from p2 with BQ wouldn’t be considered until p1 fills up most positions? So people from P1 with Q WQ that got referred have a higher chance of getting a TOL than people from p2 BQ?!!?

Negative. They hire from P1 BQ then P2 BQ, then P1 WQ, then P2 WQ and so on

 

[GodHelpMe]

Negative. They hire from P1 BQ then P2 BQ, then P1 WQ, then P2 WQ and so on

Negative. They hire from P1 BQ then P2 BQ, then P1 WQ, then P2 WQ and so on

I’m skeptical about this bid. Will it be their first time using that technique introduced in the bill that was passed 12/19?

 

[XM]

Holy hell.

I forgot all about this...dealing with everyday life stuff but thank you.

Sucks that it won't be apart this bid but hey, keeping my fingers crossed. Just turned 27 two weeks ago, so I have still have a little time.

I'm 21 so I've got a few years. But maybe I should hush about that lol. Good luck though!

Holy. Almost everyone's been referred.

so people from p2 with BQ wouldn’t be considered until p1 fills up most positions? So people from P1 with Q WQ that got referred have a higher chance of getting a TOL than people from p2 BQ?!!?

I was surprised by that too. Following what NN9419 said and trying not to over analyze the situation, this could very well be a historical bid (other than the fact this bid is during a global pandemic)

I’m skeptical about this bid. Will it be their first time using that technique introduced in the bill that was passed 12/19?

I'm thinking possibly so, with this being the first bid using the ATSA scores since then (that's considering the EXP bid in March didn't have to take the ATSA)

 

[Termine]

Negative. They hire from P1 BQ then P2 BQ, then P1 WQ, then P2 WQ and so on

Do you have a source for this? The new wording says they give "preferential consideration" to Pool 1 before Pool 2. It doesn't define what that means. For all we know they could take every single person from Pool 1 BQ, WQ, Q before starting Pool 2 BQ. Remember this is the FAA, you can't assume common sense.

 

[kshaky]

Do you have a source for this? The new wording says they give "preferential consideration" to Pool 1 before Pool 2. It doesn't define what that means. For all we know they could take every single person from Pool 1 BQ, WQ, Q before starting Pool 2 BQ. Remember this is the FAA, you can't assume common sense.

SEC. 2. HIRING OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SPECIALISTS.

Section 44506(f)(1)(B)(i) of title 49, United States Code, is amended by striking “referring” and all that follows through “10 percent.” and inserting “giving further preferential consideration, within each qualification category based upon pre-employment testing results, to pool 1 applicants described in clause (ii) before pool 2 applicants described in clause (iii).”.

This seems pretty clear to me . . .

 

[dvinpayne]

Just to highlight what I think the key wording is there "within each qualification category based upon pre-employment testing results" To me that means within BQ, P1 first, then P2, then WQ and so on.

 

[Rfields10]

Yes it’s confirmed

 

[Termine]

Yes kshaky I am aware of the new language, you will note I quoted it. You interpret it one way, dvinpayne interprets it another. Whether or not someone personally thinks it's clear, we don't know how they're interpreting it until someone (perhaps Rfields10?) provides a source that tells us one way or another. Again, this is the government. Nothing is valid until it's in writing.

 

[SIXTY-NINE]

SEC. 2. HIRING OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SPECIALISTS.

Section 44506(f)(1)(B)(i) of title 49, United States Code, is amended by striking “referring” and all that follows through “10 percent.” and inserting “giving further preferential consideration, within each qualification category based upon pre-employment testing results, to pool 1 applicants described in clause (ii) before pool 2 applicants described in clause (iii).”.

This seems pretty clear to me . . .

I know there's a debate about CTI schools helping or not but do they ever advertise that you'll do better in academy with statistics?
Seems like an easy way to bring applicants in.

 

[kshaky]

Yes kshaky I am aware of the new language, you will note I quoted it. You interpret it one way, dvinpayne interprets it another. Whether or not someone personally thinks it's clear, we don't know how they're interpreting it until someone (perhaps Rfields10?) provides a source that tells us one way or another. Again, this is the government. Nothing is valid until it's in writing.

What other interpretations of "within each qualification category based upon pre-employment testing results" are there?

 

[GodHelpMe]

What other interpretations of "within each qualification category based upon pre-employment testing results" are there?

Bro my brain is confused. Ima leave this in the hands of Harambe and let time do it’s work.

 

[dvinpayne]

I believe Kshaky and I interpret it the same I was just expanding and clarifying what they said.

I think however this is the type of thing that will never be fully confirmed. With enough sample sets, we might be able to draw a reasonable conclusion, but I doubt they will ever explicitly say exactly how they make these decisions. Since this is the first bid using atsa under the new rule set, we don't have and will not have any data to draw a conclusion from.

My best advice about this is to stop thinking about it. There is nothing you can do that is affected by this right now, nor is there anything you can do to affect it. Personally I'm assuming that I'm not gonna get a TOL, then if I get one it will be a nice surprise and I will deal with it then.