2024 NATCA President Election

[GulfBravoPapa]

Nick and Jamal literally toured the country for a year to meet with the membership face to face. Your shithole campaign team didn’t do any of that because you know it way easier to lie to everyone in video or with chicken shit filtered QnAs or with anonymous social media. You guys have done more damage to NATCA than management ever could. You’ve forfeited integrity for an election.

Santa has been to my facility/facility outing twice in the past ten months plus I know he's been to previous facilities I've work at as well. At least get your facts straight.

 

[Move78]

Santa has been to my facility/facility outing twice in the past ten months plus I know he's been to previous facilities I've work at as well. At least get your facts straight.

Yes a sample size of, checks notes, 6 tenths of 1 percent of the NAS not including FCT

 

[Mike Kilo]

In April the membership started being Poll’d in a few regions that actually care what their membership think after Nick motioned the contract had to be extended. The polls showed overwhelmingly that the members didn’t want an extension. Whether Rich wanted to extend or not he looked at the the overwhelming majority of the members opinion and said ok you want us tonight we’ll fight.

You know who didn’t poll their members and see what they really wanted? Team NDJH. Their narcissism wouldn’t allow them to do it. They said we do not care what you want we’ll do what we want. You know who else didn’t receive a poll, any of the regions who’s RVP weaponized the NEB against our current President because Nick told them not to poll their members.

Rich listened to what the members wanted and was grown up enough to take up that charge. Nick and Jamaal doubled down and went with we are going to hope the FAA agrees to a random MOU for significantly more pay. If it were that easy why didn’t any other federal union president in the past just write MOUs to get all the members significantly more money? Because it won’t work.

Two candidates gave the members a voice and listened to them, that’s Rich and Mick.

Team NDJH said we can’t do shit and we don’t care what you think.

Give me a leader that is capable of changing their minds against leaders who are stubborn dictators.

That poll was a publicity stunt for votes. Making retards think they are being heard.

 

[Move78]

This whole campaign season has been such a disgrace for the union that I stepped away from this cesspool for a while. But a strange development I just noticed is that 32andBelow has been complaining specifically about Mick and Rich for like 3 years and it seems like he’s swallowed some kind of weird koolaid recently.

 

[LennyA21]

Nick and Jamal literally toured the country for a year to meet with the membership face to face. Your shithole campaign team didn’t do any of that because you know it way easier to lie to everyone in video or with chicken shit filtered QnAs or with anonymous social media. You guys have done more damage to NATCA than management ever could. You’ve forfeited integrity for an election.

I’m not part of any campaign, I prefer time with my family. I believe Rich and Mick have visited a whole bunch of facilities though. However as leaders of the union they have jobs to do. It’s great that this union can work great without Nick and Jamaal doing anything but driving around the United States wasting money.

So they toured the country and still don’t understand what the membership wants? That’s an amazing waste of time and money.

That poll was a publicity stunt for votes. Making retards think they are being heard.

How is a vote to extend or negotiate a publicity stunt? Every member got to have their voice heard. Just because Nick doesn’t give a fuck what his region has to say doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t want to be heard. Dumbest comment ever.

 

[jorgeluis161]

Give me a leader that is capable of changing their minds against leaders who are stubborn dictators.

You mean changing their tune for political gain? Because that is exactly what Rich and Mick are doing.... Your deflection is trash. Your garbage argument here and other places is why many people are turned off from voting for Rich and Mick.

 

[Move78]

I’m not part of any campaign, I prefer time with my family. I believe Rich and Mick have visited a whole bunch of facilities though. However as leaders of the union they have jobs to do. It’s great that this union can work great without Nick and Jamaal doing anything but driving around the United States wasting money.

So they toured the country and still don’t understand what the membership wants? That’s an amazing waste of time and money.

Bullshit

 

[Phanatical]

I think we’ve all seen where #ShiftySanta falls on his platform.

 

[KP-ATC]

 

[Mike Kilo]

How is a vote to extend or negotiate a publicity stunt? Every member got to have their voice heard. Just because Nick doesn’t give a fuck what his region has to say doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t want to be heard. Dumbest comment ever.

When was their last poll of the membership since they’ve held leadership roles in the union?

 

[LennyA21]

You mean changing their tune for political gain? Because that is exactly what Rich and Mick are doing.... Your deflection is trash. Your garbage argument here and other places is why many people are turned off from voting for Rich and Mick.

So if the members want something you think a leader should say no too bad I won’t change my mind?

When was their last poll of the membership since they’ve held leadership roles in the union?

I think the extension of the contract 5 years is a prettty important thing to poll your region on. Sorry Nick and his friends didn’t poll their regions.

You mean changing their tune for political gain? Because that is exactly what Rich and Mick are doing.... Your deflection is trash. Your garbage argument here and other places is why many people are turned off from voting for Rich and Mick.

I support JD and Redmond too, sentiment has certainly moved away from NDJH after I started exposing their scumbaginess

 

[KP-ATC]

So if the members want something you think a leader should say no too bad I won’t change my mind?

The issue is that I don't believe what Santa is saying. I think he is lying to us to gain votes.

 

[LennyA21]

The issue is that I don't believe what Santa is saying. I think he is lying to us to gain votes.

I mean you can lie on something like we will get pay through MOUs because NDJH will
Just say the agency wouldn’t agree. Saying you’re going to open the contract and then not is literally leadership suicide. He can’t say the agency didn’t want too, because they have too, he can’t say it’s because of Trump, because he said he’s going to open it even if Trump wins now. If he wins the contract has to be open or he’s done for. If NDJH wins they will absolutely not open the contract

 

[Mike Kilo]

I think the extension of the contract 5 years is a prettty important thing to poll your region on. Sorry Nick and his friends didn’t poll their regions.

I agree. My point is that they have not deigned to poll before. But they are doing it now because they know what the results will be and it is in their favor. They aren’t polling because they actually care what we want. If you think they are then you’re a special kind of stupid. Makes me sad we have members who buy into it…

 

[ManBearPig]

In April the membership started being Poll’d in a few regions that actually care what their membership think after Nick motioned the contract had to be extended. The polls showed overwhelmingly that the members didn’t want an extension. Whether Rich wanted to extend or not he looked at the the overwhelming majority of the members opinion and said ok you want us tonight we’ll fight.

You know who didn’t poll their members and see what they really wanted? Team NDJH. Their narcissism wouldn’t allow them to do it. They said we do not care what you want we’ll do what we want. You know who else didn’t receive a poll, any of the regions who’s RVP weaponized the NEB against our current President because Nick told them not to poll their members.

Rich listened to what the members wanted and was grown up enough to take up that charge. Nick and Jamaal doubled down and went with we are going to hope the FAA agrees to a random MOU for significantly more pay. If it were that easy why didn’t any other federal union president in the past just write MOUs to get all the members significantly more money? Because it won’t work.

Two candidates gave the members a voice and listened to them, that’s Rich and Mick.

Team NDJH said we can’t do shit and we don’t care what you think.

Give me a leader that is capable of changing their minds against leaders who are stubborn dictators.

Just making sure we all are looking at the same time line.

Last year after he announced he was running for President again, Rich was telling everyone he would extend the contract if they thought Trump would win. Then, Rich put out a campaign video on March 4th, 2024 which included video from his "townhall" on February 22nd, 2024. In this video he says he will open the slate book in 2026. He said the contract is aged, and needs to be opened with no mention of any caveats. There is the recording from March 28th, 2024 in which he says he will extended the contract to avoid Trump. Now supposedly, in April he polled members, has changed his mind, and decided to open the contract.

That's a lot of changing your mind in a short period.

 

[32andBelow]

Just making sure we all are looking at the same time line.

Last year after he announced he was running for President again, Rich was telling everyone he would extend the contract if they thought Trump would win. Then, Rich put out a campaign video on March 4th, 2024 which included video from his "townhall" on February 22nd, 2024. In this video he says he will open the slate book in 2026. He said the contract is aged, and needs to be opened with no mention of any caveats. There is the recording from March 28th, 2024 in which he says he will extended the contract to avoid Trump. Now supposedly, in April he polled members, has changed his mind, and decided to open the contract.

That's a lot of changing your mind in a short period.

How are we discounting the union reaction to extending and people changing their position. Isn’t that the point? If they extend again I think everyone’s just gonna quit the union.

 

[LennyA21]

I agree. My point is that they have not deigned to poll before. But they are doing it now because they know what the results will be and it is in their favor. They aren’t polling because they actually care what we want. If you think they are then you’re a special kind of stupid. Makes me sad we have members who buy into it…

Members buy into nick and Jamaal’s buzzword speeches now those are the dumb members. They are doing it now because the contract is literally up and Nick made a motion to extend it. The contract is the most important thing, it’s the only thing that should be polled

 

[ManBearPig]

How are we discounting the union reaction to extending and people changing their position. Isn’t that the point? If they extend again I think everyone’s just gonna quit the union.

Are we going to consider what may be best for the membership and what a vocal segment of the membership want may be two different things? And between March 4th and March 28th, but the membership started clamoring to extend the contract?

 

[Phanatical]

Members buy into nick and Jamaal’s buzzword speeches now those are the dumb members. They are doing it now because the contract is literally up and Nick made a motion to extend it. The contract is the most important thing, it’s the only thing that should be polled

When did Rich poll the membership prior to deciding to extend the contract?

 

[32andBelow]

Are we going to consider what may be best for the membership and what a vocal segment of the membership want may be two different things? And between March 4th and March 28th, but the membership started clamoring to extend the contract?

They started clamoring when Nicks extend 4ever vote came to light. Micks already shown that we should negotiate no matter what and has explained arbitration. If dementia Donald actually wins and they are worried about him just forcing stuff then any agreement we have won’t even matter so there’s literally no point to extend. If you look at every midterm and special election then you’d see that maga isn’t doing well.