2024 NATCA President Election

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32andBelow said:
Can’t believe these people are gonna vote for the guy who put fauchi in charge.
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You’re twisting things a bit to fit your narrative, after the 2020 election (specifically on December 3rd) Fauci was asked by Biden as president-elect to serve as chief medical advisor and he accepted. To infer that he was solely appointed by Trump when the other dope asked him to come back is rather misleading.
 
SquawkHijack said:
You’re twisting things a bit to fit your narrative, after the 2020 election (specifically on December 3rd) Fauci was asked by Biden as president-elect to serve as chief medical advisor and he accepted. To infer that he was solely appointed by Trump when the other dope asked him to come back is rather misleading.
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I’m not twisting anything. They never stfu about this guy and trump put him in charge of Covid.
 
32andBelow said:
I’m not twisting anything. They never stfu about this guy and trump put him in charge of Covid.
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…Yeah, and that was until the end of Trumps presidency which would be the inauguration in January following the election. Biden (again, as a president elect) appointed Fauci to serve as chief medical advisor of n December 3rd of 2020 until 2022. You’re twisting this to sound like Trump was the only person who put fauci in charge of anything during Covid… like when you said:
32andBelow said:
Can’t believe these people are gonna vote for the guy who put fauchi in charge.
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I think he is just stating that trump supporters are vehemently anti-Fauci. Even though trump put Fauci in an important position to handle the covid response.

Frequently during the house oversight committee it was stressed that fauci was responsible for the work of the staff under him. Bummer that the same logic doesn't apply to trump.
 
Somenewguy said:
True stuff. People will see their quality of life for the past four years as a direct reflection of the incumbent president's performance. Doesnt matter if they did a good or a bad job, what matters is the voters perception. I hope that's not enough to put a facist back in office, but buckle up and let's find out. I didn't think a failed reality TV star-silver spoonfed- professional grifter would win in 2016 either.

It would be wise for the union to plan for either president to take the reins next year.
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I don’t understand why they don’t plan for either occurrence. It’s not hard, I pay NATCA to make my life better. Period. Sometimes the chess match is going to be a bit more difficult. Learn to play the game better than your opposition. It’s almost like NATCA thinks they are the underdog and plan to call off the game rather than go for the upset…
 
SquawkHijack said:
…Yeah, and that was until the end of Trumps presidency which would be the inauguration in January following the election. Biden (again, as a president elect) appointed Fauci to serve as chief medical advisor of n December 3rd of 2020 until 2022. You’re twisting this to sound like Trump was the only person who put fauci in charge of anything during Covid… like when you said:
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Democrats aren’t deranged about fauchi.
 
What good is Natca in Washington if we can’t even negotiate with republicans in charge? I think Trump is a moron but would even he be dumb enough to contribute to the tanking of this career even further if we were to negotiate with him? Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my end, but I don’t think so. We are responsible for a big portion of this country’s economy. I’ve always said an extension of this CBA is just as bad as if we made an attempt to negotiate a new CBA and lost everything, so we might as well fucking try and negotiate a new CBA.
 
FlightOfTheShortGuy said:
What good is Natca in Washington if we can’t even negotiate with republicans in charge? I think Trump is a moron but would even he be dumb enough to contribute to the tanking of this career even further if we were to negotiate with him? Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my end, but I don’t think so. We are responsible for a big portion of this country’s economy. I’ve always said an extension of this CBA is just as bad as if we made an attempt to negotiate a new CBA and lost everything, so we might as well fucking try and negotiate a new CBA.
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Republicans and 95% of Democrats could care less about us, look at how they treated the rail workers. If they cared we would be allowed to to strike.
 
FlightOfTheShortGuy said:
What good is Natca in Washington if we can’t even negotiate with republicans in charge? I think Trump is a moron but would even he be dumb enough to contribute to the tanking of this career even further if we were to negotiate with him? Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my end, but I don’t think so. We are responsible for a big portion of this country’s economy. I’ve always said an extension of this CBA is just as bad as if we made an attempt to negotiate a new CBA and lost everything, so we might as well fucking try and negotiate a new CBA.
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Exactly. Bet if contract talks were not going well and everyone finally stopped showing up for bandaid OT delays would be racking up and causing quite a bit of noise, things will turn around. It been a lot of year since the white book and we still have not seen gains that make this job desirable as it once was.
With all of the information available on the internet I’m surprised how many people apply….then I look at the new hires we are getting and starting to wonder if in 10 years it will be safe to fly in the NAS.
 
ncssailor said:
"and everyone finally stopped showing up for bandaid OT"
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Well those instructions would be considered a work action, and illegal.

Also that would require comradery, where you don't show up AND nobody picks up their phone.

There's always someONE that will cross the pickett line
 
Phillytroll69 said:
Well those instructions would be considered a work action, and illegal.

Also that would require comradery, where you don't show up AND nobody picks up their phone.

There's always someONE that will cross the pickett line
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If people can’t come to their own senses and figure out how to advocate for themselves at certain times…….I don’t think there will be a majority showing up for OT and sure as hell not day of. Nobody picks up the phone for same day OT calls anymore where
I am.
 
FlightOfTheShortGuy said:
What good is Natca in Washington if we can’t even negotiate with republicans in charge? I think Trump is a moron but would even he be dumb enough to contribute to the tanking of this career even further if we were to negotiate with him? Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my end, but I don’t think so. We are responsible for a big portion of this country’s economy. I’ve always said an extension of this CBA is just as bad as if we made an attempt to negotiate a new CBA and lost everything, so we might as well fucking try and negotiate a new CBA.
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This is misguided. There’s no problem negotiating with republicans. No one’s ever made that claim. It’s the Trump EOs specifically that are designed to destroy labor.
I don’t even know what to say to the part about losing everything. Some of the people on this board are oblivious. The case for a new CBA is that as of 3 years ago A108 has frozen our pay rate/progression at a rate that is grossly unacceptable. The case for a new CBA is absolutely not “who cares if we lose everything”. You’re clearly junior and have taken for granted what we have. And yes I want a new CBA as well
 
If the things we lose are A114 details and stay at home, report to nobody details for those in the upper echelon of the Union, is that really a loss for the overall membership?

I think most members would be happy to trade in the Scammers for a significant pay raise. Too many people at too many critically short staffed facilities are getting paid way too much to do way too little work. People should not be going 5 years + off the floor, all while counting in the numbers. Im aware thats not all thats in jeopardy of being lost, and the EO's are not good for labor....but they aren't a reason to never ask for more pay. If thats the case, why should anyone be in the Union? If the stance of NATCA is that this is the best we can get because a Republican regime is scary, then it sounds like they're not doing anything for me with my dues.

A 2029 extension makes the Slate Book the contract for 14-15 years, over half of a Controllers career in the FAA. Thats nuts to agree to, without putting it up to a membership vote, which the Scammers shot down immediately at the last convention none of us who actually work traffic went to.
 
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