Retirement Bill introduced to eliminate locality from FERS high 3 calculations

[BDUB]

There’s countless people that have quit the agency that would come back if the agency didn’t offer them consistent shit hole places out of spite. Ask me how I know. The staffing crisis is not by accident I truly think the agency wants it this way idk for what reason but there are enough bodies they could get into facilities if they wanted they just choose not to.

 

[SquawkHijack]

I think it goes even deeper than the academy. FAA Medical cant keep up. The academy is running partial classes because they cant get enough people cleared through medical. And that seems to happen every year.

Very true, I didn’t even think about that.

There’s countless people that have quit the agency that would come back if the agency didn’t offer them consistent shit hole places out of spite. Ask me how I know. The staffing crisis is not by accident I truly think the agency wants it this way idk for what reason but there are enough bodies they could get into facilities if they wanted they just choose not to.

I think it’s because these managers and high level directors are lazy pieces of shit and don’t want to fight for the funding and additional resources for an adequate workforce when they can make do with less and we have to pick up all the slack.

 

[Raise when?]

There’s countless people that have quit the agency that would come back if the agency didn’t offer them consistent shit hole places out of spite. Ask me how I know. The staffing crisis is not by accident I truly think the agency wants it this way idk for what reason but there are enough bodies they could get into facilities if they wanted they just choose not to.

Welll, isn't it cheaper to pay OT than staff properly?

Think of all the extra benefits theyd have to pay per additional employee.

IF all you care about is money and not safety, then it makes sense to understaff the hell out of the agency.

Especially if you want to privatize it, staff it like shit, make it run poorly, claim it's due to "government inefficiency", then privatize it and pay controllers even less lol

 

[32andBelow]

Welll, isn't it cheaper to pay OT than staff properly?

Think of all the extra benefits theyd have to pay per additional employee.

IF all you care about is money and not safety, then it makes sense to understaff the hell out of the agency.

Especially if you want to privatize it, staff it like shit, make it run poorly, claim it's due to "government inefficiency", then privatize it and pay controllers even less lol

It’s not a for profit company. They have no reason to act that way.

 

[Soul_Controller]

It’s not a for profit company. They have no reason to act that way.

If they don't have enough money to accomplish the mission then they have to cut anywhere they can. Just because we got a 2 percent raise doesn't mean the FAA got more budget to cover it.

 

[Traffic8Out]

Welll, isn't it cheaper to pay OT than staff properly?

Think of all the extra benefits theyd have to pay per additional employee.

IF all you care about is money and not safety, then it makes sense to understaff the hell out of the agency.

Especially if you want to privatize it, staff it like shit, make it run poorly, claim it's due to "government inefficiency", then privatize it and pay controllers even less lol

You good man?

 

[32andBelow]

Wonder how all the trump voters are feeling. Greenland/canada/panama is America first ain’t it?

 

[Raise when?]

You good man?

 

[Phillytroll69]

I’ve seen it from the inside. Trust me they’re digging deep into the bottom of the barrel to hit the annual targets. And many applicants can’t get through medical because everyone these days is on dope or SSRI’s.

Well Canadian controllers can smoke dope.

Source: “Trust me, bro”.

As much as I hate to agree I spent some time searching and the controller workforce plan doesn't really explain it until the academy. These are the pool 1 numbers (vets and cti)

The trust me bro isn't untrue. I can't find the source but you could maybe do a FOIA and how many applicants met eligibility standards of the bid.

Let's say it's 60k. 30k won't be eligible, whether it's application errors, age, us citizenship, etc.

30k- (super high estimate) get the paperwork right. Then half of them are cut with the initial security clearance.

15k after initial medical, initial security, etc.

Anyway you can see the atsa also eliminates a bunch.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Well Canadian controllers can smoke dope.

And not work for 28 days afterwards....

 

[jdatc]

And not work for 28 days afterwards....

Can they use their sick leave without restriction afterwards? If so, seems like a good benefit!

 

[Dontbotherme]

If they don't have enough money to accomplish the mission then they have to cut anywhere they can. Just because we got a 2 percent raise doesn't mean the FAA got more budget to cover it.

Just fire every TMU specialist and MSS position not actively working traffic. Stop giving OMs and low level ATMs good time when they don’t talk to airplanes. Then, the Agency can cover paying controllers and maybe even fix the equipment that’s been broken for years. After all of the above is done, close level 4 towers (cities can pay for contractors if they choose) and consolidate level 5 and 6s into other buildings.

 

[PooseMaGoose]

Just fire every TMU specialist and MSS position not actively working traffic. Stop giving OMs and low level ATMs good time when they don’t talk to airplanes. Then, the Agency can cover paying controllers and maybe even fix the equipment that’s been broken for years. After all of the above is done, close level 4 towers (cities can pay for contractors if they choose) and consolidate level 5 and 6s into other buildings.

As much as we all shit on these positions because it’s easy to do and fun… if they went away, the life of the average controller would become immeasurably shittier. I’ll probably get a lot of hate for saying that, but it’s true.

Those roles get a lot of hate because we all know traffic dodgers who have gone to hibernate there, but despite that, they serve a purpose.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Just fire every TMU specialist and MSS position not actively working traffic. Stop giving OMs and low level ATMs good time when they don’t talk to airplanes. Then, the Agency can cover paying controllers and maybe even fix the equipment that’s been broken for years. After all of the above is done, close level 4 towers (cities can pay for contractors if they choose) and consolidate level 5 and 6s into other buildings.

Why would you pick those positions and not the article 114 good time gig telecommuting with dc locality updating the training order.

 

[97on33off]

If they don't have enough money to accomplish the mission then they have to cut anywhere they can. Just because we got a 2 percent raise doesn't mean the FAA got more budget to cover it.

This is the last CR that just passed. Not only was the budget approved. But an interesting tidbit of salaries AND "inflation adjustments". Seems like our savior in hawaii should be leaning into this harder than a sloshed fat guy at the bar at 1:59 AM.

 

[Soul_Controller]

This is the last CR that just passed. Not only was the budget approved. But an interesting tidbit of salaries AND "inflation adjustments". Seems like our savior in hawaii should be leaning into this harder than a sloshed fat guy at the bar at 1:59 AM.

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Well damn, I'll take it.

 

[echster]

This is the last CR that just passed. Not only was the budget approved. But an interesting tidbit of salaries AND "inflation adjustments". Seems like our savior in hawaii should be leaning into this harder than a sloshed fat guy at the bar at 1:59 AM.

I'm not sure the understanding of the bill's language, as noted here, is correct. In plain language, it means that Congress has appropriated - and is authorizing - FAA funds to be used for those explicit purposes listed in Section 169 of the CR. So... what does that mean? It means the FAA won't have to cut other parts of its budget to pay for those items directly listed in Section 169 of the CR.

Unbeknownst to many, one of the nastiest issues with most CRs is that Congress often fails to fully fund the January pay raise even though it is authorized by either the President or Congress. So, in order to pay for the approved pay raise, agencies must then move money from other budget lines to cover personnel costs. This is why you often read union statements calling on Congress "to fully fund pay raises" if they have to resort to a CR.

 

[32andBelow]

I'm not sure the understanding of the bill's language, as noted here, is correct. In plain language, it means that Congress has appropriated - and is authorizing - FAA funds to be used for those explicit purposes listed in Section 169 of the CR. So... what does that mean? It means the FAA won't have to cut other parts of its budget to pay for those items directly listed in Section 169 of the CR.

Unbeknownst to many, one of the nastiest issues with most CRs is that Congress often fails to fully fund the January pay raise even though it is authorized by either the President or Congress. So, in order to pay for the approved pay raise, agencies must then move money from other budget lines to cover personnel costs. This is why you often read union statements calling on Congress "to fully fund pay raises" if they have to resort to a CR.

They also tell the agencies the projected raise a year in advance so they can get ready

 

[SquawkHijack]

It’s not a for profit company. They have no reason to act that way.

The same could also be said about all this guidance coming down turning OSs into manifesting analysts on break time vs. time on position.

 

[32andBelow]

I same could also be said about all this guidance coming down turning OSs into manifesting analysts on break time vs. time on position.

Yah for sure.