Facility Downgrades / Upgrades

Acquired Taste said:

Absolute gift to the long term AVP controllers who will get a 6% raise next year when they cutover BGM and ELM radar and go back to a 6.

You gotta be down for 2 years

Meanwhile level 12 centers are running 10 traffic with no downgrades in sight.

I know why, but it doesn’t make it right.

How we think it’s ok to transfer somewhere for higher pay, then be downgraded (due to things we cannot control), financially punished, and then be unable to transfer out is a real problem.

What happens to mgmt pay? Oh…

SwissDog said:

Meanwhile level 12 centers are running 10 traffic with no downgrades in sight.

I know why, but it doesn’t make it right.

How we think it’s ok to transfer somewhere for higher pay, then be downgraded (due to things we cannot control), financially punished, and then be unable to transfer out is a real problem.

What happens to mgmt pay? Oh…

Oddly specific. Transfers have nothing to do with the NVT. If you’re downgraded you’re not a higher level facility. Levels are defined. But yes on the centers.

Acquired Taste said:

Absolute gift to the long term AVP controllers who will get a 6% raise next year when they cutover BGM and ELM radar and go back to a 6.

Bgm radar lmao. Bgm is the slowest facility in the faa

boots said:

Bgm radar lmao. Bgm is the slowest facility in the faa

Yes but their 5 radar ops/day combined with ELM's 10 will be enough to put AVP back over the level 6 threshold.

ELM has super light gliders, one of the busiest areas in the country for that, that must count for complexity and might even make AVP a 7.

FightingIrish2012 said:

ELM has super light gliders, one of the busiest areas in the country for that, that must count for complexity and might even make AVP a 7.

Sorry that’s negative points with Santa’s TCI

Acquired Taste said:

Absolute gift to the long term AVP controllers who will get a 6% raise next year when they cutover BGM and ELM radar and go back to a 6.

There are no guarantees that a facility will upgrade off of a consolidation (DAY to CMH…. MFD & CAK to CLE…)

CaptainObvious said:

Meanwhile they delay ABACUS for another 2+ years. Fuck the Zs

lol you sound mad bro. Stop checking other people's pockets.

ATCNOMAD said:

lol you sound mad bro. Stop checking other people's pockets.

Trying to check my own. Rather get paid appropriately for the higher level traffic we’re working

CaptainObvious said:

Trying to check my own. Rather get paid appropriately for the higher level traffic we’re working

You clearly said F Z's. Sounds like you are worried about center controllers as well as yourself. Leave center controllers out of it. Do you and worried about yourself. You don't see center controllers over here bad mouthing anyone. Well, we do bad mouth TMU lol

I am a center controller…

I was being facetious in my post

CaptainObvious said:

I am a center controller…

I was being facetious in my post

Haha sorry dude

PIT downgraded from a LV 9 to 8 effective April 9th.

GCN 5 > 4
PUB 8 > 7
RHV 7 > 6
SCK 5 > 4

Effective 4/9

Edited for typo

It takes at least 60K VFR helicopter ops a year to be a 5 not a 4. I wonder what secret shit is going on up at Grand Canyon to cause that traffic? Did anyone else ever hear that story about them finding Egyptian artifacts in the Grand Canyon and the Smithsonian is covering it up?

fivebyfive said:

GCN 5 > 4
PUB 9 > 8
RHV 7 > 6
SCK 5 > 4

Effective 4/9

Pretty sure PUB is going 8>7

FightingIrish2012 said:

It takes at least 60K VFR helicopter ops a year to be a 5 not a 4. I wonder what secret shit is going on up at Grand Canyon to cause that traffic? Did anyone else ever hear that story about them finding Egyptian artifacts in the Grand Canyon and the Smithsonian is covering it up?

This just gave me a conspiracy boner

Golf delta said:

Pretty sure PUB is going 8>7

Correct. 8 -> 7

At what point do constant downgrades become a backdoor pay cut? At what point do we have to reevaluate the traffic strata if less airplanes with more people on them is the new normal?