Hardships

X-Ray Lima

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Im thinking about getting married to someone that lives far away with an amazing career. Is marriage something that gets approved? How long does the process take?

What are some other reasons you guys have heard of getting approved?
 

MJ

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That's not a hardship. A99 defines what qualifies. Don't think you can just submit a paper saying "I have a hardship" and away you go. They are difficult to get approved, especially since the err MOU.
 

GulfCharlie

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I do not think so. Pretty sure I know who you are though :p ATL is just barley out of reach :/
 

Mj2

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Hello, I am currently looking into possibly doing a hardship. It would be for my fiance's family and from what I am reading, it keeps saying spouse. Does anyone know if we would have to be married for this to happen?
 

#1349

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Hello, I am currently looking into possibly doing a hardship. It would be for my fiance's family and from what I am reading, it keeps saying spouse. Does anyone know if we would have to be married for this to happen?
I believe so, yes.
 

Mj2

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Alright, and do you have any advice on the types of paperwork I should get for proving we need to move? My fiance's mother has MS and her younger brother, who she takes care of, is autistic. Would I need documents saying that she has MS and he is autistic or what? This just seems odd to me so any advice would help
 

#1349

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Paperwork doesn't matter if it's not a spouse. Fiancée is no different than a girlfriend/boyfriend to the FAA.
 

Stinger

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Hello, I am currently looking into possibly doing a hardship. It would be for my fiance's family and from what I am reading, it keeps saying spouse. Does anyone know if we would have to be married for this to happen?

Word of advice if you're to try this:
Fiancé is for a boyfriend (engaged man)
Fiancée is for a girlfriend (engaged woman)
 

GulfCharlie

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Alright, and do you have any advice on the types of paperwork I should get for proving we need to move? My fiance's mother has MS and her younger brother, who she takes care of, is autistic. Would I need documents saying that she has MS and he is autistic or what? This just seems odd to me so any advice would help

The contract is a wonderful thing if you read it :

Section 2.
Transfer requests under verified hardship conditions shall be
classified in one of the following three categories (in order of priority):
I.
The medical condition of the employee, the employee's spouse, or
dependent children residing in the employee's household requires
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a geographical move from the employee's present duty station
assignment to a geographical area deemed necessary to improve or
maintain the health or receive health services.
II.
Transfer of an employee to another geographical area, when the
employee or employee's spouse is the primary caretaker of a
dependent parent, or the medical condition of the parent requires
the employee or employee's spouse to relocate. Not all situations
of separation from parents will be considered a hardship.
III.
Transfer of an employee in case of an estranged family where
dependent children are involved and the transfer of an employee to
a different geographical area would allow the employee to
maintain contact with his or her children. Not all situations of
separation from children will be cons
idered a hardship. In order to
be considered, the geographical separation from the children must
have been involuntary. Factors that should be considered are the
length of time of separation, the age, and health of the children.
All relevant factors shall be considered for each condition, but at a
minimum shall include:
a.
whether the employee previously
used this issue as a hardship.
b.
other unique circumstances.
c.
the distance and ease of commute.
In order to effectively comply with the intent of the definition of a
geographic area, employees must provide a list of all facilities and/or cities
that will meet the needs of their speci
fic hardship. Placement is allowed in
the same, lower, or up to three (3) ATC Facility Pay Levels above their
current ATC Facility Pay Level.
Section 3.
An employee requesting a hardship transfer shall submit a
written request to his or her current facility manager. The request shall
include at least the following:
a.
a statement that the employee is requesting an Employee
Requested Reassignment (ERR) in accordance with the ERR
procedures and this Article;
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b.
the position(s), grade(s), and geographical area(s) the employee is
requesting;
c.
the reason(s) justifying the hardship need and all supporting
documentation;
d.
FAA Form 3330-42, Request for Consideration and
Acknowledgment;
e.
FAA Form 3330-43-1, Rating of Air Traffic Experience for AT
Transfer Program;
f.
a resume;
g.
most recent performance appraisal;
h.
a statement that the employee understands that this hardship
transfer is primarily in the interest of the employee and relocation
is at no expense to the government; and
i.
a statement from the employee authorizing the Parties to contact
the appropriate sources as applicable to the request for the purpose
of validating or clarifying any supplied documentation.
Section 4.
The Parties at the local level shall meet within fourteen (14)
calendar days of submission of the hardship to accomplish the facility
level review. They will ensure that the request falls in one (1) of the three
(3) categories eligible for hardship c
onsideration and that the appropriate
documentation is provided. Requests that
clearly fall outside the identified
hardship categories or those requests that do not include supporting
documentation will be returned to the
employee with an explanation of the
denial and information that the employee can file an ERR through the
normal process. For all other requests, they will make recommendations
and forward an entire package to th
e Parties at the Service Area/AFSIAG
level of the facility where the hardsh
ip request originated. This should
normally be accomplished within seven (7) calendar days of making the
determination.
Section 5.
The Parties at the Service Area/AFSIAG level shall review the
employee's package and the recommendations made at the facility and
make their own determination as to wh
ether the hardship condition is bona
fide. This review should normally occu
r within fourteen (14) calendar days
of receiving the package. If they dete
rmine the hardship condition is bona
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fide, they shall, within seven (7) calendar days of making the
determination, forward the entire pack
age to the Parties at the Service
Area/AFSIAG level of the target facilities if other than their own, along
with a written statement recommending a
pproval of the transfer due to a
bona fide hardship condition. Should the Parties in this Section fail to
reach agreement on the determination as to whether the hardship condition
is bona fide, the hardship request is denied and the employee may pursue
transfer under the ERR process. If the transfer is recommended by the
originating Service Area/AFSIAG, the employee's hardship package will
be forwarded to the target Service Area/AFSIAG.
Section 6.
The Parties at the Service Area/AFSIAG level of the target
facilities shall review the employee's package and the determinations made
at the facility and the originating Service Area. This review should
normally occur within fourteen (14) calendar days after receiving the
package. The Agency will make every reasonable effort to accommodate
the employee’s transfer if the employee is otherwise qualified for the
position. The origina
ting facility will not unreasonably delay the
employee’s release. If the transfer is denied, the target Service Area shall
forward a written justification to the originating Service Area along with a
list of all alternative facilities in the geographical area that could possibly
fit the needs of the affected employee.
The requesting employee will then be informed by his/her Principal
Facility Representative and the Air Traffic Manager jointly, as soon as
possible after receiving the final determination. Transfers under this
Article shall not be constrained by
any release policies; however, release
under this Article shall not negatively
impact employees who have already
received release dates. Transfers under this Article shall not be eligible to
receive any permanent change of station benefits. If the Agency
determines that the request cannot be
accommodated due to staffing, the
request will remain active for fifteen (15) months and reviewed every six
(6) months by the Parties at the Service Area/AFSIAG level. After each
six (6) month review, a notice will be sent to the employee regarding the
disposition of the request.
 

Dolan

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Yeah feel free try but I can tell you that guy has no chance of getting a hardship approved based on what he just described
 

breakaway2000

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What others have said, zero chance of getting approved for a fiance. If I know air traffic controllers like I think I do, if there was a fiance loophole, there'd be a whole lot of 'fiance's' with family members in need. I'm married and with the ERR MOU even I'd be tempted to scrub every reference of my wife from the FAA, fill out a craiglist ad for $1,000 to find a fake fiance and try to hardship to my desired location. Although I do feel for you, if it is truly that important to move there, go down to the courthouse, sign the documents, become 'legally' married, turn in the hardship and have your actual wedding when you guys are ready (or already have planned).
 

Dan Ruble

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Here is a situation I am in. I've been applying for ATC since 2012. In the meanwhile, I married a woman who has two prior children from another relationship. I recently got a TOL in February. According to Michigan Law, my wife can't move more than 100 miles away without consulting the father of her children and/or getting things worked out in court. To say the father is a narcissist would be an understatement, and he will not agree to letting my wife move. And my wife and I have a newborn together. Headache aside, we've decided that I should pursue my dream and take any offer received from the FAA for anywhere in the country. Assuming I work hard and become CPC after years, I would then elect to transfer somewhere closer to home.

Or could I get an estrangement on this? Yes, I CHOSE to marry this woman who has two children from a prior relationship, but its not a situation where the whole family can pack up and move.

Regardless I'm pursuing ATC and will hope to get something close, and if not, hope to transfer somewhere close assuming I eventually become CPC.

Thanks for your input.
 

corn4ahead

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Michigan ehh? There might a chance a Michigan facility could be on your list. Most of them are low level ( that is if you are terminal).
 

MJ

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Here is a situation I am in. I've been applying for ATC since 2012. In the meanwhile, I married a woman who has two prior children from another relationship. I recently got a TOL in February. According to Michigan Law, my wife can't move more than 100 miles away without consulting the father of her children and/or getting things worked out in court. To say the father is a narcissist would be an understatement, and he will not agree to letting my wife move. And my wife and I have a newborn together. Headache aside, we've decided that I should pursue my dream and take any offer received from the FAA for anywhere in the country. Assuming I work hard and become CPC after years, I would then elect to transfer somewhere closer to home.

Or could I get an estrangement on this? Yes, I CHOSE to marry this woman who has two children from a prior relationship, but its not a situation where the whole family can pack up and move.

Regardless I'm pursuing ATC and will hope to get something close, and if not, hope to transfer somewhere close assuming I eventually become CPC.

Thanks for your input.
You can only file a hardship after being assigned. From personal experience, this situation would be denied because you knew the situation when you took the job. That being said, I would speak to your supervisor and HR at OKC to see if they could offer some facilities that would be acceptable. Especially if there are facilities that no one wants, they may be willing to accommodate.
 

Logical_Mongoose

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Anyone here have any insight on hardship due to mental health of a spouse? My wife has been suffering from severe anxiety and depression due to the move to my facility's location after academy and therapy is hardly making a dent. Any chance that documentation from mental health professional might be enough to validate a hardship in the eyes of the FAA?
 

wand_waver

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Anyone here have any insight on hardship due to mental health of a spouse? My wife has been suffering from severe anxiety and depression due to the move to my facility's location after academy and therapy is hardly making a dent. Any chance that documentation from mental health professional might be enough to validate a hardship in the eyes of the FAA?

Probably would be considered only if you can prove that your wife needs medical attention at and only at an area that's closer to her family
 
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