In the interest of National Security

[GroundClutter]

New National email is out...

Patting themselves on the back for a job well done for NiW

 

[SquawkHijack]

That's a lot of dumbshit to just avoid saying Republicans don't like unions

Says the guy who made the NATCA election about skin color. Fuck outta here with your brain rot.

 

[Nothanks]

Everything in the government is political and you need to play the game intelligently. What would endorsing Kamala have gained us had she won? Absolutely nothing. But it may hurt them now. The best policy is neutrality, but again, NATCA is a political activist organization and a social club masquerading as a union.

See when you say things that aren’t based on facts you look stupid.

Teamsters total political spending = 35.4 million
Natca total political spending = 14.5 million

Teamsters total to republicans = 2.3 million
Natca total to republicans = 2.4 million


Not only has Natca given more overall money to republicans than the teamsters, it’s a much higher overall percentage of their total spending

I respect you and look forward to future conversations.

 

[Termine]

Six months prior to May 3rd was November 3rd, the 2020 election day.

They couldn't have waited one more week to see how the election played out?

They didn’t want to “balk” on what they had been negotiating for in anticipation of a second Trump term. To preserve the unions credibility with the people they negotiated with from 2019-2021, they extended into 2026

So instead they delivered us straight into a 2025 Trump administration. Brilliant move, guys.

Like you said, bad move in hindsight, but it's just amazing to me that they were more scared of ruffling feathers than doing the job of a labor union.

 

[RadarRick]

Rinaldi didn’t want to ruffle any feathers because he still wants a seat on the board of the soon to be Privatized ATC Inc.

He completely fucked this career field, then wanted to charge the union he “represented” a high 6 figure salary to “consult”.

Dudes a glorified mob boss. Again, he completely fucked over the entire ATC Career field on his way out the door. Paul Rinaldi is responsible for the mess we are in today, full stop.

 

[Move78]

That’s your opinion and I respect it. But with these EOs, there’s a possibility the extension didn’t “protect” us or give us “leverage.” If that’s the case, all it did was piss off a large portion of the membership.

If a large portion of the membership is still pissed off even after these EOs then there’s no reasoning with that sect. If they’re currently trying to tear up our negotiated entitlements you’d have to be retarded to think they were going to give us more than we had in a new contract.

I’m not rooting against NATCA, I want them to succeed. Maybe this will all turn out for the better and I will eat my words. But I’m a dues paying member and reserve the right to criticize, especially when they go against the path most of the membership wanted. And because they went against that, I will continue to criticize until I see results from the path they chose.

There’s no evidence that most of the membership wanted that. There’s only evidence that most of the anonymous internet trolls wanted that. Hopefully we’ll get a ratification amendment in May so we can know who wants what.

Look, some of you might be in the location you want, make a salary that is acceptable, and own a house that was bought at a reasonable price with a good interest rate. But there’s a lot of us that don’t even have one of those things. And IMO, the union has failed those members to this point.

There’s a real ‘haves and have nots’ problem. There’s also some absurd rich get richer amendments on the docket that widen that gap for some reason.

 

[Move78]

At least in negotiations we have a chance (however small) at getting something to better ourselves. Now it’s just being forced on us. Which one is better? I’d take a chance for something better any time since we are getting the same results regardless.

Why do you guys think a negotiation is either the same or better? It would’ve been a blowout loss.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Why do you guys think a negotiation is either the same or better? It would’ve been a blowout loss.

"Day one Pay Raise.wmv" on YouTube where they said regardless of which side I have a plan

 

[CreepyPineapple]

If a large portion of the membership is still pissed off even after these EOs then there’s no reasoning with that sect. If they’re currently trying to tear up our negotiated entitlements you’d have to be retarded to think they were going to give us more than we had in a new contract.

There’s no evidence that most of the membership wanted that. There’s only evidence that most of the anonymous internet trolls wanted that. Hopefully we’ll get a ratification amendment in May so we can know who wants what.

There’s a real ‘haves and have nots’ problem. There’s also some absurd rich get richer amendments on the docket that widen that gap for some reason.

A large portion of the people I work with have vocalized they did not want an extension. I’ve spoke to other people I know across the NAS, who have stated it is the same at their facility. Are you saying that both Nick and Rich changed their stance during their campaigns to not extend just because of “internet trolls?” There were also polls in the New England region. I also spoke with my RVP during that period and he understood that a majority of region did not want to extend. But if you wanna continue to believe we’re just “internet trolls” and not members who are trying to make our voice heard anyway possible, then that’s fine. You can stay out of touch with the membership.

Also, it’s not unreasonable for the membership to expect success from their union negotiating, no matter who holds office. It is the whole purpose of the union.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

There’s no evidence that most of the membership wanted that. There’s only evidence that most of the anonymous internet trolls wanted that. Hopefully we’ll get a ratification amendment in May so we can know who wants what.

I think it is possible an extension would have been ratified by our membership, but unfortunately we’ll never know that answer. The amendment has been proposed. It’s R25-38 in your convention booklet. Convince your local delegates to vote for it at convention.

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

Why do you guys think a negotiation is either the same or better? It would’ve been a blowout loss.

So how do you describe everything that seems likely to be forced on us in the next year or two, plus things that have already been forced on us? Seems like a blowout loss regardless. So yes, negotiating should have been the call.

 

[GroundClutter]

There’s no evidence that most of the membership wanted that. There’s only evidence that most of the anonymous internet trolls wanted that. Hopefully we’ll get a ratification amendment in May so we can know who wants what.

What are you talking about.

There were regional polls done.

"Do you know about the previous trump EO's"

"Do you still want to negotiate"

 

[KP-ATC]

Nonsense. They would have wiped their ass with the white book, changed the date and handed it to us.

We got the legislative fix for that a decade ago.

 

[GroundClutter]

We got the legislative fix for that a decade ago.

Shhh they don't like talking about that "huge win" that conveniently now somehow doesn't protect us.

 

[KP-ATC]

That's a lot of dumbshit to just avoid saying Republicans don't like unions

Unions on the whole now vote more R than D.

 

[blarg]

Shhh they don't like talking about that "huge win" that conveniently now somehow doesn't protect us.

It was a huge win when the govt didn't break laws daily without a care in the world.
It conveniently doesn't protect anyone at all when the administration ignores laws and fires people on the relevant panels who don't blindly do what they're told regardless of statues and contracts.

 

[32andBelow]

They ignore the fact that the real problem was the first extension and NATCA put themselves in an impossible position that was totally their own fault.

 

[Raise when?]

There were regional polls done.

"Do you know about the previous trump EO's"

"Do you still want to negotiate"

Bet they don't reply lol

 

[CF]

We got the legislative fix for that a decade ago.

Under normal circumstances I’d be inclined to agree and say go for it but these aren’t really that. Trump gonna do everything he can to not negotiate any new CBAs during the next 4 years, legal or not.

 

[KP-ATC]

Under normal circumstances I’d be inclined to agree and say go for it but these aren’t really that. Trump gonna do everything he can to not negotiate any new CBAs during the next 4 years, legal or not.

Hand wringing like that doesn't get us anywhere.