NATCA leadership on those leaving the union

[+TSRA]

Something that's always really bothered me about the Union. Some years ago, there was NATCA REP (or something) in the Denver area who keyed the car of another NATCA REP - they got into a disagreement after some meeting.

Anyways, as I understand it, the REP who did the keying "lied" and said he didn't do it but it was all caught on camera. The FAA revoked the security clearance and was close to firing the person. Well, the Union fought extremely hard for the REP who keyed/lied and not only did that person keep their job, but I think they were/are still some big wig NATCA REP.

I was astonished, appalled, and naïve (I was new the FAA/NATCA at the time) to think the Union would defend someone of that nature. It was really that moment I questioned my allegiance to the Union and wondered if I wanted to belong to such an (hypocritical) organization. I always felt guilty about funding/supporting a group that tolerated such behavior to their own - or anyone. It certainty woke me up to the fact that the Union uses the contract, which is meant to "protect" BUEs, as a scapegoat/shield for a buddy.

 

[SolicitSVFR]

I just want you all to know

That if you're not a member of our great and venerable union

That I will not take your night shifts

I will NOT work credit for you so you can go to Timmy t-ball game

I will NOT include you on the lunch run

I will NOT provide you with adequate feedback during training

I will NOT let you transfer to another facility

You may NOT access the internet

We WILL collaborate with the FAA

You WILL die alone

You WILL thank me for my service

Eye contact in the hallway is for bargaining-unit chads ONLY

The security cameras have been disabled and you WILL get Epstein'd

New England Region Bi-Monthly Update

That is all

View attachment 7754

I will NOT give AF. STFU no one cares about you

 

[SayMachNumber]

Not gonna quote stuff, but doing an extension of the slate book was the right move. Shit wasn't going to get better for us by opening the contract up for negotiation. It was saved NATCA a shit ton of money.

Saved NATCA money, but our dues didnt go down. I guess it just pays for all the new staff positions for recently retired leadership, like the newly created Chief of Staff position made specifically for Dean.

 

[Smitty]

Saved NATCA money, but our dues didnt go down. I guess it just pays for all the new staff positions for recently retired leadership, like the newly created Chief of Staff position made specifically for Dean.

damn, thats a C750 M .93+ take! Careful not to fly too close to the sun, they have scary NY gangsta acccents

 

[Bandit117]

There is a difference between completely taking away someone's right to swap shifts and those shift swaps actually getting accepted. I don't have an obligation to accept any shift swaps sent to me. I also don't have an obligation to ask anyone if they want lunch while I'm out. We do these things because we want to or don't want to. Entitlement matters here.

The part about denying credit is pretty big. You’re denying people rights based off their Union membership status. You don’t have to approve any request a person makes with you, but telling everyone to go out of their way to treat them differently is a no no

 

[Spaceforce]

The part about denying credit is pretty big. You’re denying people rights based off their Union membership status. You don’t have to approve any request a person makes with you, but telling everyone to go out of their way to treat them differently is a no no

I think it was more of don’t work credit for a non union member. But the whole thing is a dick move. I mean mick move

 

[FlimFlam]

I just think most people complaining about unforeseen inflation are unreasonable. They expect the union to think so far in advance to negotiate imaginary inflation to get them huge raises that many don’t get in the private sector based on their level of education, yet they themselves don’t have the money for a 1 month government shutdown which seems to happen every other year. Im not saying they should have to but it’s fucking hilarious watching the “government shouldn’t give hand outs, people need to work harder” types bitch and moan so they government can give them an handout and are the first ones to be sitting on their ass in the break room saying they don’t get paid enough to work harder.

Don’t get me wrong though the FAA needs to do better.

Unforeseen inflation? The debt to GDP ratio is 130% and keeps going higher and no one in Washington is willing to be the adult in the room. The people who run the Fed are incompetent or evil with their 0% interest rates and quantitative easing. Their entire scheme is taking your wealth and disturbing it upward. This was absolutely foreseeable, and if you or our union leadership paid attention to reliable sources outside the taking heads on TV is was a forgone conclusion even before Covid.

 

[Sir_Unable]

Unforeseen inflation? The debt to GDP ratio is 130% and keeps going higher and no one in Washington is willing to be the adult in the room. The people who run the Fed are incompetent or evil with their 0% interest rates and quantitative easing. Their entire scheme is taking your wealth and disturbing it upward. This was absolutely foreseeable, and if you or our union leadership paid attention to reliable sources outside the taking heads on TV is was a forgone conclusion even before Covid.

But but the press secretary said we’re in the best shape economically ever!

 

[Electricfence]

Unforeseen inflation? The debt to GDP ratio is 130% and keeps going higher and no one in Washington is willing to be the adult in the room. The people who run the Fed are incompetent or evil with their 0% interest rates and quantitative easing. Their entire scheme is taking your wealth and disturbing it upward. This was absolutely foreseeable, and if you or our union leadership paid attention to reliable sources outside the taking heads on TV is was a forgone conclusion even before Covid.

so the answer is to give us, along with everyone else, which is exactly what would happen, a huge raise that may or may not be needed?

 

[MJ]

Of course. I just don’t think this instance is black and white. Now If he said stop filing grievances for non-union members or advocated for violence against them that’s a different story

Sorry, but this is not fact-based in the least. Even the implication of any sort of mistreatment or preferential/discriminating actions is a clear ULP.

Literally no, it is not. The whole point of a “favor” is that you’re doing something extra for someone. Not doing something extra is not a reprisal.

The actions are intended to create a more hostile or unfavorable work environment for people who don't do what this union representative wants.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

But but the press secretary said we’re in the best shape economically ever!

It must be true, NATCA says/implies the same thing.

 

[Robert_Boucher]

The fact that NATCA removed it from the website indicates some sort of failure on his part. Even if they went after him and nothing happened to him the potential fallout could be huge. There's probably a significant amount of the membership that have no clue what he said, and I can only imagine if some found out that they would start pulling their PAC donations this that and the other.

 

[rhombus]

Sorry, but this is not fact-based in the least. Even the implication of any sort of mistreatment or preferential/discriminating actions is a clear ULP.


The actions are intended to create a more hostile or unfavorable work environment for people who don't do what this union representative wants.

Just to be clear, if a non-elected normal NATCA member told a non-union member "hey I don't want to accept anymore shift swaps from you because you're not in the union" that would be completely fine and not considered workplace harassment or discrimination under federal laws, right?

 

[ClearanceClarence]

The fact that NATCA removed it from the website indicates some sort of failure on his part. Even if they went after him and nothing happened to him the potential fallout could be huge. There's probably a significant amount of the membership that have no clue what he said, and I can only imagine if some found out that they would start pulling their PAC donations this that and the other.

They probably noticed the overwhelming criticism on social media to it. Not unlike how people reacted to Trish’s “we gotta ban airmen because it’s sexist” posts that were torn to shreds and then mysteriously deleted a short time later.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Just to be clear, if a non-elected normal NATCA member told a non-union member "hey I don't want to accept anymore shift swaps from you because you're not in the union" that would be completely fine and not considered workplace harassment or discrimination under federal laws, right?

You must be that dude on the NATCA Facebook page with the grey hair over his eyes in his profile pic who continuously monitors the website waiting for someone to question or say something negative about NATCA and then immediately writes a three paragraph rebuttal lol.

 

[Smitty]

You must be that dude on the NATCA Facebook page with the grey hair over his eyes in his profile pic who continuously monitors the website waiting for someone to question or say something negative about NATCA and then immediately writes a three paragraph rebuttal lol.

i thought that was 32andBelow

 

[Bandit117]

You must be that dude on the NATCA Facebook page with the grey hair over his eyes in his profile pic who continuously monitors the website waiting for someone to question or say something negative about NATCA and then immediately writes a three paragraph rebuttal lol.

Pretty sure that’s the Omaha tracon facrep

They probably noticed the overwhelming criticism on social media to it. Not unlike how people reacted to Trish’s “we gotta ban airmen because it’s sexist” posts that were torn to shreds and then mysteriously deleted a short time later.

I never saw these posts, is there a screenshot?

Just to be clear, if a non-elected normal NATCA member told a non-union member "hey I don't want to accept anymore shift swaps from you because you're not in the union" that would be completely fine and not considered workplace harassment or discrimination under federal laws, right?

Well, you can’t defend yourself by saying it’s just you being you anymore because a union leader told you to do it. Even if you claimed you weren’t doing it because he said So, it still doesn’t pass the smell test. He just gave anyone you don’t interact with a reason to turn you in

 

[MJ]

Just to be clear, if a non-elected normal NATCA member told a non-union member "hey I don't want to accept anymore shift swaps from you because you're not in the union" that would be completely fine and not considered workplace harassment or discrimination under federal laws, right?

honestly don't know in that situation. if there was no "because you're not in the union" then definitely not, but I don't know otherwise.

 

[Gavin74]

Something that's always really bothered me about the Union. Some years ago, there was NATCA REP (or something) in the Denver area who keyed the car of another NATCA REP - they got into a disagreement after some meeting.

Anyways, as I understand it, the REP who did the keying "lied" and said he didn't do it but it was all caught on camera. The FAA revoked the security clearance and was close to firing the person. Well, the Union fought extremely hard for the REP who keyed/lied and not only did that person keep their job, but I think they were/are still some big wig NATCA REP.

I was astonished, appalled, and naïve (I was new the FAA/NATCA at the time) to think the Union would defend someone of that nature. It was really that moment I questioned my allegiance to the Union and wondered if I wanted to belong to such an (hypocritical) organization. I always felt guilty about funding/supporting a group that tolerated such behavior to their own - or anyone. It certainty woke me up to the fact that the Union uses the contract, which is meant to "protect" BUEs, as a scapegoat/shield for a buddy.

1) That NATCA Rep did not "lie". He simply maintained that he did not key the car. One shall be presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law;

2) All the security cameras caught was a grainy video of this person walking by the car. His hands could not be clearly seen keying the car.;

3) He was charged with Criminal Mischief (willfully damaging private property) by the County's District Attorney. He voluntarily turned himself in, was booked, fingerprinted, then released on bond while awaiting trial;

4) The FAA was never "close to firing" him. All the Agency did was suspend his security clearance while the criminal case made its course through the judicial system; This person continued to report to work and perform union duties. He was not allowed to enter the control room/work traffic because of the suspended clearance;

5) This person was acquitted following a multi-day jury trial. His security clearance was reinstated immediately thereafter;

6) All the Union did was ensure that he was afforded due process and treated fairly and in compliance with the CBA.

 

[Caerbannog]

The fact that they resort to coercive/manipulative tactics to make people pay dues in so many facilities and regions is really telling. Trainees are basically told they will wash out and be terminated if they don’t pay dues. CPC’s are told they’ll never be able to transfer if they don’t pay dues. Those people in the NE are now essentially being told they’ll be subjected to a toxic work environment unless they rejoin the union. Some instances really give off mafia-ish vibes. “Pay us, or else your life at work will be a living hell.”

Serious question and I was wanting to post this when I had some time anyway. Is it impossible to ERR if you're not in the union paying dues considering these rankings that NATCA is involved with and has for transfers? I'm completely tapped out on paying dues after being let down by the entire process three times now but I'm afraid I'll be stuck at my facility forever. Not that I'd be the only non dues paying member. Like half of my facility isn't paying dues so I'd at least have that going for me. Maybe I'll send some money to the PAC and still get my transfer approved since apparently that's a thing they look at which should be illegal. ?‍♂️