NCEPT debate thread
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So compared to the previous both numbers must be greater than 85% to be a CAT II. vs the previous greater than national average and projected. satisfied must be greater than 85%
so this is what facilities would be able to pick up correct?
That’s how I understand it. Yikes, and people thought old NCEPT was bad. Here’s new NCEPT, pick from these 16 facilities or go nowhere.
Of the ones that actually do have the projected % to target of 85% of less, there are only 11 that don't have a training backlog of 30% or more. So make that 11 facilities. Basically just came up with rules to completely halt movement while still having a panel to satisfy the MOU with a lot of "generally", "normally" vague language, so they can do whatever they want.
They think an AOB restriction raise to 85% will incentivize certifications.
It also seems like this will send NCEPT back to the dark ages when the only people on the ranking list will be low level tower only guys with a staffing number under 15. Great news for the terminal academy and prev exp hires.
It also seems like this will send NCEPT back to the dark ages when the only people on the ranking list will be low level tower only guys with a staffing number under 15. Great news for the terminal academy and prev exp hires.
AOB stands for Actual On Board and is the number of CPCs in house down to the day. So Bob that retires tomorrow is AOB today.
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Wonder if the NCEPT panel knows what it means...
I do not understand why this process is micro-managed and over-controlled. Why can we not have a system where if you want to go to a said location you can apply directly to that location at any given time. Then, that said location will choose when it wants to accept an applicant at a time that is good for them. The facility itself knows when it wants to add another trainee to the pool. They will choose this applicant based on criteria they feel will offer that person that best chance to certify. Once they select you, your current location will look to see if they can release you based on staffing. If they can, then perfect you are released. If they cannot, there can be open discussions between both facilities to figure out how a person can get from their current facility to the place they want to be. Maybe the staffing is just so poor that they cannot allow a person to go (which is no different than now), but maybe they can figure out a way to let you go if x amount of ppl certify down the line. I just think they are trying to make a system too regulated when it should be very fluid and negotiable. Just my 2 cents in the matter. I guess this is kind of what it was like pre-ncept? I'm not sure how it worked before ncept.
I think there are a few issues that are not helping the matter right now:
1) Facilities are taking on new trainees when it is not the best time for them
2) controllers are trying to "play the game" of getting out of their facility asap rather than actually waiting to go where they want to end up in the end because ncept is a very stressful process where you really have no control in helping yourself get to where you want to go. it feels like a lottery process and ppl don't want to "feel stuck".
3) perhaps interviews should be a part of the process so facilities looking for a new controller could talk to applicants and actually learn about their experience, learn about their intentions, and get a better understanding of who they are before blindly choosing someone
I think there are a few issues that are not helping the matter right now:
1) Facilities are taking on new trainees when it is not the best time for them
2) controllers are trying to "play the game" of getting out of their facility asap rather than actually waiting to go where they want to end up in the end because ncept is a very stressful process where you really have no control in helping yourself get to where you want to go. it feels like a lottery process and ppl don't want to "feel stuck".
3) perhaps interviews should be a part of the process so facilities looking for a new controller could talk to applicants and actually learn about their experience, learn about their intentions, and get a better understanding of who they are before blindly choosing someone
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This is what everyone voted for ?♂️. That being said, this is complete ballocks.
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Robert_Boucher
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I don't think interviews will ever be a requirement. People already have the ability to visit facilities set up a tour and sale themselves to the ATM, or facrep.
One downside about it is even if you get yourself placed at the top of the ranking list, it doesn't mean the NCEPT panel will pick you for that spot.
Can anyone explain why NCEPT won't staff 10+ facilities to 100%?
One downside about it is even if you get yourself placed at the top of the ranking list, it doesn't mean the NCEPT panel will pick you for that spot.
Can anyone explain why NCEPT won't staff 10+ facilities to 100%?
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Then also remove the facilities that have 30% and greater trainee/cpc ratios. You're left with 11 facilities.
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So now the facility you want to go to must be under 85% staffed?? W.T.F.
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